Just after the 4k mark, at 10:45 in the race video, Rupp, running just behind Mo Farah, trips up a bit and his right foot landed over the railing and inside the first lane. Does the track rulebook specify when this is legal? I haven't seen any mention of DQ.
I saw that, too. I believe the rule book states that a DQ will occur if it is determined that the infraction either 1) impairs another runner(s), 2) offers the offending runner any kind of advantage, or 3) the offending runner uses the move to pass another runner, essentially illegally passing and offering some kind of advantage like #2 says. This is from fuzzy memory, though.
In that instance I cannot see where any of these factors were met, so...no DQ.
Oops... there goes that .06 of the record he broke...
An official was opening up a cooler filled with PBR on the infield, cut him some slack.
I'm pretty sure the USATF rules follow the IAAF rules, and from my earlier running days I was always told that any three steps in a row (as observed by an official) would result in a DQ. Interpret this as you will, but I assume both of the following would result in a DQ:
-three consecutive steps (left foot, right foot, left foot)
-three consecutive steps with the same foot (left foot out, next left foot out, next left foot out)
What 'three step' rule; can you cite a place in the rule book? In general, any step on or inside the lane line is an infraction, it does not take three consecutive steps, (although it is easier to see when there are three in a row, that is not central to the rule).From IAAF :Running in Lanes3. (a) In all races run in lanes, each athlete shall keep within hisallocated lane from start to finish. This shall also apply to anyportion of a race run in lanes. (b) In all races (or any part of races) not run in lanes, an athleterunning on a bend, on the outer half of the track as per Rule162.10, or on the diversion from the track for the steeplechasewater jump, shall not run on or inside the kerb or line markingthe applicable border (the inside of the track, the outer half ofthe track, or the diversion from the track for the steeplechasewater jump).Except as stated in Rule 163.4, if the Referee is satisfied, on the reportof a Judge or Umpire or otherwise, that an athlete has violated thisRule, he shall be disqualified.4. An athlete shall not be disqualified if he(a) is pushed or forced by another person to run outside his lane oron or inside the kerb or line marking the applicable border, or(b) runs outside his lane in the straight or outside the outer line of hislane on the bend,with no material advantage thereby being gained and no other athletebeing obstructed.5. In competitions held under Rules 1.1(a), (b), (c) and (f), the 800mevent shall be run in lanes as far as the nearer edge of the breaklinemarked after the first bend where athletes may leave their respectivelanes.The breakline shall be an arced line, 5cm wide, across all lanes otherthan lane 1. To assist athletes identify the breakline, small cones orprisms, 5cmx5cm and no more than 15cm high, preferably ofdifferent colour from the breakline and the lane lines, shall be placedPage 141 RULE 163The poster earlier essentially outlined the situation adequately. In general, on straights, the only issue is interfering with other runners while the race is being run (i.e., after the finish, as with Powell (?) several years back, this does not affect the results). On the curve, tripping and going over the rail will not generally result in a DQ because there is no advantage gained (in fact, it usually is a disadvantage).
toodarnloud87 wrote:
I'm pretty sure the USATF rules follow the IAAF rules, and from my earlier running days I was always told that any three steps in a row (as observed by an official) would result in a DQ. Interpret this as you will, but I assume both of the following would result in a DQ:
-three consecutive steps (left foot, right foot, left foot)
-three consecutive steps with the same foot (left foot out, next left foot out, next left foot out)
26mi, the three step rule is used in some States' high school rules. Florida I know used to have it when I officiated. In fact I had to DQ a 400m hurdler for this exact rule violation once. I have no idea if this still applies, and I don't think it was ever part of USATF rules.
3 step rule is in the National Federation rulebook right now.
From the rulebook text posted by 26mi, shouldn't Rupp have been DQ'd? I suppose it hinges on the definition of "forced." If Rupp was "pushed or forced" by Farah it was perhaps only by Farah very slightly slowing or weaving within the inner half of the lane to retain the lead position, but nothing out of the ordinary. It looks like Rupp tripped because he was tailgating.
My sense is that he should not be DQed unless it can be shown that he impeded Farah. But USATF should not ratify the AR because he stepped outside the lane.
What? Why would that make sense?
I believe that Florida just added the 3 step rule as result of constant requests from Lynyrd Skynyrd fans.
it doesn't...
Captain Spalding wrote:
What? Why would that make sense?
Because Coach Dick hates all things Oregon.
You guys must really lead boring lives.
Bah, who cares, he didn't hurt anyone. And since when does stumbling speed you up?
Is this what's at issue?
No one has said (that I remember) whether this was on the curve or the straight. If on the straight this is irrelevant. [Does someone want to post a link to the video mentioned by the OP?]As for your interpretation of the event, the judge or umpire makes a call when they see what they think is a violation. Mo changed is 'vector' if he slowed down on the curve and a runner that loses balance because of that slowing has not done so voluntarily but by the actions of the runner ahead. This is different than if Rupp had accelerated and gotten into that situation. Did the officials ever raise a yellow flag or did they raise a green one on that portion of the track?[I have almost never worked as an umpire or judge but when I have it is really harder than it might seem to see all of the possible violations, especially when it is something like the staggered portion of an indoor 200/400/600/800 because they get moving so fast and they become hard to identify once your mind records that they was a possible violation.]When there is no advantage gained I would think that most officials would not flag the incident and if they did, the Referee would not consider it a violation. And since it was his right foot that went out, it really lands firmly into the 'no harm, no foul' territory.Note also that the "Except as stated in Rule 163.4, if the Referee is satisfied, on the report of a Judge or Umpire or otherwise, that an athlete has violated this Rule, he shall be disqualified.Read more: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3929814#ixzz1EoSDv4eNBuy your shoes from LetsRun and save 20% everday http://www.letsrun.com/saveGo read the text again: (a) is the forced out, (b) is the straight.
zeus2011 wrote:
From the rulebook text posted by 26mi, shouldn't Rupp have been DQ'd? I suppose it hinges on the definition of "forced." If Rupp was "pushed or forced" by Farah it was perhaps only by Farah very slightly slowing or weaving within the inner half of the lane to retain the lead position, but nothing out of the ordinary. It looks like Rupp tripped because he was tailgating.
Rupp is a cheater, trying to cut the course to make it Rupp certified. Take away that huge record
Gimme three steps wrote:
I believe that Florida just added the 3 step rule as result of constant requests from Lynyrd Skynyrd fans.
Nice. I guess northern states (or at least Neil Young's alma mater in Canada) don't follow that rule?
