Heps track 2011

really? nothing?

Guess people are busy or they are planning on their words for actual race day. It's in NYC this year so hopefully there will be a good turnout for it. Every school except Harvard or Yale have organized alumni gatherings sometime during the weekend so expect a charged atmosphere.

princeton is clearly favored in my opinion with their depth of runners from 400m to 5K which is important for the 4x4 4x8 dmr and individual events from 400 to 5K

Princeton's guys are absolutely loaded this year. They have a strong possibility of winning every event on the track except for the 60 and the hurdles. When I doped out the meet the Tigers had almost enough points to win without counting the field events. If they were two teams, the Princeton track guys (124.5 points) project at 2nd and their field athletes (71.7 points) would be 3rd.

Here's the numbers (which include obvious guesses as to who will run what, and which relay teams with run much faster, and all of the other stuff that requires that we actually run the races to see who wins...)

196.2 Princeton

137.3 Cornell

54 Columbia

46 Penn

44 Dartmouth

37 Harvard

35 Yale

7.5 Brown

The guys mid-distances should be stunning this year. There could be guys at 1:52.x who don't make the final, and if the milers go for it, there will a serious rewriting of the all-time lists.

Yo, fo! what about NAVY! They will dominate!

when will the heat sheets be announced?

runnersfan wrote:

when will the heat sheets be announced?

Friday I believe late afternoon. The coaches will be submitting their entries and scratches around that time, and then shortly afterwards the sheets should be available.

How about the women? Columbia looks terrific in the jumps and shorter races (through 400), Princeton loaded in the distances, and Cornell strong across the board. Should be a much more exciting meet than the men. Heat sheets will be up Friday after the coaches meeting - probably about 7:30PM or so.

And btw, kudoes to Gavin O'Neal at Columbia for his leadership in organizing the meet and recruiting all their young power on the women's team. An excellent coach, recruiter and administrator.

I'd like to see a Moriarty v. Callahan match up in the 1k. I'd give it to Moriarty, obviously, but with Callahan at 1:48 and 4:01 you know he's got a good 1k in him. Too bad Wade got sick a few weeks ago, not sure how that's going to affect him. I'm sure he'll be in the mix in whatever event he does, though.

Does anyone know if the meet will be on flotrack or any other online live streaming? For those of us who can't make it to NYC...

Columbia actually has a great staff overall. They have produced great results there for sometime now when compared to the what has ever happened there before. If the Columbia staff was at Princeton or Harvard the league results would be a joke.

gaveattheoffcie wrote:

Columbia actually has a great staff overall. They have produced great results there for sometime now when compared to the what has ever happened there before. If the Columbia staff was at Princeton or Harvard the league results would be a joke.

Can't we finally put to the rest the idea that the Princeton coaches are wasters of talent?

Their distance and long sprint athletes are favorites to win every event that Moriarty doesn't enter, and in most they can put two in the top three and three in the top five.

The Columbia staff, which is larger than Princeton's, has done a great job by focusing a lot resources, at least on the men's side, almost exclusively in the distances and XC. Princeton is a track and field team - their field athletes alone will beat Columbia by 20 points.

And, it appears from their recruiting lists, that Columbia may have a few more supported admission slots than Princeton, again focused almost exclusively on mid-distance and distance, and while it's hard to get into Columbia, it's not as hard as Princeton.

And I say all of this, not because I'm a Princeton fan, but because I'm a fan of not saying silly things.

And I don't know what to say in response about Harvard...

re: milers

How many do you see joining Burke and Merber under Four?

Here's to hoping we see a Callahan Moriarty match-up. Coaches should just agree to put them both in the 800 and watch them both get ncaa autos.

keen observer of things wrote:

Here's to hoping we see a Callahan Moriarty match-up. Coaches should just agree to put them both in the 800 and watch them both get ncaa autos.

IN.

tell me more oh wise one wrote:

re: milers

How many do you see joining Burke and Merber under Four?

Callahan and Amirault didn't miss by much in an unevenly paced race, and while Moriarty showed in Seattle that he wasn't ready to run 3:55, all three have the fitness to go sub-4 in well rabbited one off race. Like maybe the Columbia last chance meet?

But the Championship Top 10 starts with Jaworski's 4:04.34 and 10th is 4:06.96 - and seven guys have bettered that mark so far. Who knows what will happen Sunday, with Saturday's heats and the relays following and not all of the top guys in the Mile, but if the race goes out fast, we could see a meet record and several '11 marks in the Top 10

the princeton milers are so deep. i personally can't wait until penn realys 4xmile, they have a legit shot at oregon's 16:03 record.

i predict

callahan 3:59

(clearly he is getting faster after a 57 last 400 in his 4:01)

amirault 4:00

(ran a solid 4:01 high but has split 4:01 before last year)

van ackeren 4:01

(split 4:01 twice last year..didnt run xc this year so still working his way back)

cabral 4:02

(one of princeton's strongest runners and looks good after a solid 4:03 last weekend)

it would be nice to see a sub 16 but i dont want to get ahead of myself.

All of the Columbia praise is a bit over the top. People not paying close attention over the last few years would probably think Columbia had been dominating Heps of late and think Cornell was a nothing.

Looking back at the last five year of Heps results (15 heps -indoor, outdoor and xc), the results are following.

Total Men's Heps Titles

Cornell 8

Princeton 6

Columbia 1

Rest of league 0

Total Women's Heps Titles

Princeton 8

Cornell 7

Columbia 0

Rest of league 0

Combined Men's/Women's Titles (Since Columbia is Combined)

Cornell 15

Princeton 14

Columbia 1

Rest of league 0

Conclusion:

Cornell 15x > Columbia

Princeton 14x > Columbia

Columbia infinitely greater than the rest of the Ivy League.