Dieter Bauman how did he train?

lots of toothpaste.............da-di-ding

super easy!!!

80-100mpw, distance runs at 7-8min/mile, recovery runs at 9min+, in base-phase he only did threshold-10k pace intervals once or twice/week,tempo runs done at 5:30pace, only very few interval sessions during track-season-typical stuff like 4x1000m or 20x400m but never more than two sessions/week.

Well, the toothpaste thing...i can only say that he was incredbile consistent during his career, still running 7:40 for 3000m in his last season at 38 years of age.

Highly intelligent man, 3:33-7:30-12:54-27:21, best non-african born track runner of all time.

1982(17 years old)

4:03,75

8:36,66

15:42,96

1983

3:49,36

8:16,31

14:40,4

1984

3:50,37

8:05,93

14:21,54

1985

3:42,52

7:51,52

13:48,00

1986

3:36,40

7:52,24

13:35,04

1987

3:33,54

7:40,26

13:30,89

1988

3:34,82

7:50,30

13:15,52

1989

3:34,25

7:38,94

13:18,36

29:03,33

1990

3:40,38

1991

3:34,93

7:33,91

13:24,58

1992

3:33,91

7:38,10

13:09,03

1994

3:38,49

7:34,69

13:12,46

28:20,66

1995

3:34,49

7:33,56

13:01,72

1996

3:36,77

7:44,66

13:08,81

1997

3:33,51

7:31,81

12:54,70

27:21,53

1998

3:42,00

7:30,50

13:04,10

27:32,31

1999

3:40,

7:37,

13:02,63

2000

3:37,18

13:13,83

2002

7:40:68

13:07,40

27:38,51

mistake, he ran 7:42 in 2003 just some weeks before the WCs in Paris.

nobo wrote:

Highly intelligent man, 3:33-7:30-12:54-27:21, best non-african born track runner of all time.

And a cheater.

Which means he is not the best non-African of all time.

The toothpaste gimmick.

Which means he is not as smart as you think.

Of course you believe or at least are confused by the toothpaste gimmick, so.....

he ran 13:13 "during" his ban and 13:07 after his suspension, i doubt he was cheating while everyone had an eye on him.I say he was atleast not on Nandrolone(for what he was caught), he is way to intelligent to get on a drug that can be easily detect(they test a lot in Germany).

Actually he had some beef with several coaches and athletes who came from Eastern Germany after the Reunion who were still doping like Stephane Franke(now commentating for Eurosport) for example, accusing and confrontating them.

A lot of people would have liked to see him failing a drug-test.After his first failing in a drug test he was informed about the nandrolone in his urine, he simply could have stopped taking it and I'm sure the federation would have stayed quiet.But they tested him again and again and the Nandrolone value rises,rises....

I heard he had brushes with greatness.

I used to have a month long copy of his base training on my older computer but that peice of junk failed on me. I think I might have gotten it from the boards, so someone here might still have it.

Anyways, from what I can remember he did about 150km to 180km a week and most of his regular continuous runs were relatively slow around 6:30 to 7:30 m/m pace. He also usually did two or three AT sessions a week; 12 x 1km in not much faster than 3:00 with little recovery, varations of that workout with longer repetitions, some continuous AT runs also.

He definitely brushed his teeth 2 or 3 times a day.

It's too bad about Dieter -- a career is ruined and there's nothing that will ever change that. Someone could come forward and say "I spiked the colgate" and it still wouldn't matter.

You've got to cross him off the list.

It's so easy to say that anyone European/American who can compete with the Africans is on drugs.

This is just demotivating to a lot of athletes and doesn't recognise the fact that years ago athletes like Dave Moorcroft (13:00.51 5K), Ron Clark, Pre, Cram, Coe, Ovett (need I go on) were not only competing with Africans but winning races.

Imagine what Herb Elliot would run today on synthetic Mondo tracks with pacemakers. I actually believe that he would beat the great El G. Anyone who can run a 3:34 1500m on a cinder track with no pacemakers would give El G a good race.

I for one don't think Dieter took drugs and if you read the case reports, there in PDF somewhere if you search on google, would find that he had a valid case and that there was strong evidence to suggest that someone had set him up.

I'm sure that he wouldn't have taken drugs after his ban and yet he still run a 7:40ish 3K in 2003, at the end of his career.

Let's just say that this guy had awesome talent and incredible motivation. A great competitor.

How many white guys actually hit the front and race the Africans on the track now? They're too happy to stay back out of the way and get a comfortable time. It would be good to see some guy break through, like Paula has done, with the desire to compete and give the Africans a race.

Dieter was one of the few Europeans who would try to mix it.

By the way, who would win between El G and Herb Elliot over 1500m?

Herb Elliot over 1500m!

Baumann's mistake was to speak out against drugs. It was bound to make him enemies.

Anyone who knows anything about the old time steroids knows that Nandrolone was/is most effective in injectible form, but it stayed in the body and was detectable for a long time. So anyone who wanted to cheat wouldn't take the drug after 1983 when it became detectable.

The British Milers Club website used to have an interview with his wife. I've still got a page of it including examples of training weeks.

Winter: 161K

Spring Altitude: 155k

Pre-comp: 145K

Comp:100K

Winter:

M-15k / 8K +strength

T-17K "fast distance" / 8K easy

W-25K + Strength

T-12k / 8K

F-15K + strength, aquajog

S-22K hilly fartlek / 6k

S- 25K

Spring Altitude:

M-15k / 8K +strength

T-1-2-3-2-1 / 8K easy

W-20K + Strength

T-15k / 8K

F-10x250 hills / 6K

S-15K "steady state" / 8k

S- 25K

Pre-comp:

M-12k / 8K +strength

T-5x(1k, 400) / 6K easy

W-18-20K

T-12k / 8K

F-14x500, every 3rd fast / 6K

S-12K / 8k

S- 22K

Comp:

M-4x1k, 4x300 / 6k

T-10K / 6K easy

W-15K

T-8k / 6K

F-warmup, 3000 m

S-6K / 6k

S- warmup, 5000 m

His wife, Isabella, has a couple of notes at the top of the page:

Steady states could have 1k-1mile accelerations in them;

Precomp 1k's were to "get the lactic acid high and keep the recovery low". 1k's were in 2:47-2:50 / 4mmol in spring, 2:42-2:45 summer, with 400's in 55-56.

She notes that it was only since 1996 that Baumann was able to do a 100 mile week. She feels it takes a long time to develop aerobic enzymes.

DSAC Magpie wrote:

Imagine what Herb Elliot would run today on synthetic Mondo tracks with pacemakers. I actually believe that he would beat the great El G. Anyone who can run a 3:34 1500m on a cinder track with no pacemakers would give El G a good race.

hmmm...considering that herb elliot never even ran 3:34, let alone one on a cinder track, kind of hurts your theory.

and in his two 1500m world records, he didn't run from the front, he was behind at the 800 in both - so he had some "help"

Sorry, forgot to mention his wife (a physiologist) was his coach.

Sorry, he ran 3:35, I was 1 second out.

"In Rome he was the favourite to take the 1500m. title, though it was two years since he had set his world records. He was unsure how to best run the final but he and his legendary coach Percy Cerrutty devised a simple plan. At the half-way mark take the lead and run away from the rest. So he did! He won by 20 metres in a new world record of 3min. 35.6sec. with the most memorable performance of the Games. No one ever beat him over 1500m. or the mile in over forty contests during his brief career." (George Herringshaw)

He did however, break at halfway. Most championship finals are slow affairs anyway, and he could have gone faster. I've got photos from the race and the track looks a bit cut up and ain't no synthetic Mondo surface.

I still think that he'd push El G all the way and that he wouldn't have been on drugs (they can't have been any synthetic drugs like EPO around then).

My money would be on Herb. He retired after only 2 years at the top, so there might have been room for improvement.

Anyone want to join in the debate? Herb or El G?

I would kick El G's ass! I'd stay on him and destroy him over the last 400m.

if you want to get technical, you were 1.6 seconds out, and remember, elliot't time was hand timed, making it even slower (+.24)

elliot was a great runner, no doubt. but he was almost 10 seconds slower than el g. - about 70 meters!

he may have never lost but he never had to run against africans.

Herb!