Strides will get longer. This does not require pharmacology.
I think this opinion is too obvious to be controversial, so why do so few people express it?
Strides will get longer. This does not require pharmacology.
I think this opinion is too obvious to be controversial, so why do so few people express it?
I agree.
I disagree. I think World Records will get slower and slower.
It's much harder to set the world record for "slowest" race than it is for the "fastest." Try doing a 10K in over 19 days with constant movement. Very slow and tedious work. Exhausting infact.
"I disagree. I think World Records will get slower and slower"
This man is right
Jon,
What ever happened to your claims that neuromuscular coordination was the key to running fast?
J.O. wrote:
Strides will get longer. This does not require pharmacology.
I think this opinion is too obvious to be controversial, so why do so few people express it?
Can you explain this idea? How do strides just somehow get longer? Are we evolving?
Stride length is only part of the equation. It isn't necessarily going to help your stride rate, or your cardiovascular fitness. How are you not aware of this?
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Jon,
What ever happened to your claims that neuromuscular coordination was the key to running fast?
It's the same claim in different words. If you are already in good shape and you are at your ideal racing weight, then to run with a longer stride you have to improve neuromuscular coordination.
Isn't that kinda obvious?
someone else wrote:
J.O. wrote:Strides will get longer. This does not require pharmacology.
I think this opinion is too obvious to be controversial, so why do so few people express it?
Can you explain this idea? How do strides just somehow get longer? Are we evolving?
Stride length is only part of the equation. It isn't necessarily going to help your stride rate, or your cardiovascular fitness. How are you not aware of this?
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How do strides just somehow get longer? With practice. You know training and all that? It might help to actually measure your stride length to see if it's working.
For every 3% increase in stride length, you can get a 1% increase in stride rate, absolutely free.
J.O. wrote:
someone else wrote:Can you explain this idea? How do strides just somehow get longer? Are we evolving?
Stride length is only part of the equation. It isn't necessarily going to help your stride rate, or your cardiovascular fitness. How are you not aware of this?
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How do strides just somehow get longer? With practice. You know training and all that? It might help to actually measure your stride length to see if it's working.
For every 3% increase in stride length, you can get a 1% increase in stride rate, absolutely free.
Well, yeah, but how will people in the future somehow be able to train better than those who own the current world records? Do you believe that training is still progressing? Because that is a lot more comprehensible statement than "Stride length will get longer." It has to plateau somewhere, right?
J.O. wrote:
How do strides just somehow get longer? With practice. You know training and all that? It might help to actually measure your stride length to see if it's working.
For every 3% increase in stride length, you can get a 1% increase in stride rate, absolutely free.
Whoah, you're right. I've tried it. I started out as a run of the mill 4:08 miler (248 seconds for those of you counting). Then I PRACTICED. I did increase my stride length 3% and (unexpectedly to me) got a 1% increase in stride rate. When I ran a 3:58 I was shocked. But it all makes sense.
So, I figured why not practice some more - you know, training and all that. So I increased my stride length another 3% and again got the 1% increase in stride rate for free. What do you know, I ran a 3:49.
This stuff really works! I can't wait for next month when I'll do that practicing and training thing again - 3:40 here I come!
Yes training and racing are still progressing. The sport is still young. Imagine in 100 years? 200 years? 300 years?
The top runners only go as fast as they need to to win races or set World Records.
A lot of runners and statisticians seem to me to be quite insecure about the idea that this process will just keep going and going for a very long time.
Can a man run a Marathon with a 2 meter stride? Of course it will happen, a long time in the future, and that will be an almost incredible pace, but it won't be the limit.
J.O. wrote:
Yes training and racing are still progressing. The sport is still young. Imagine in 100 years? 200 years? 300 years?
The top runners only go as fast as they need to to win races or set World Records.
A lot of runners and statisticians seem to me to be quite insecure about the idea that this process will just keep going and going for a very long time.
Can a man run a Marathon with a 2 meter stride? Of course it will happen, a long time in the future, and that will be an almost incredible pace, but it won't be the limit.
Whether or not you want to believe it, the human body is limited, and the progress of world records has already slowed quite a bit. I really don't get how you think this is scientifically feasible, you know, just increasing stride length over time and BINGO, you have self-perpetuating world record cycles. That's not how the real world is. In any case, your proposition is not as "common sense" as you make it out to be. I think you are way too confident that you are right. If you are so certain, then I guess no amount of reason would convince you to think otherwise. How do you know what the stride length will be in 50-100 years? To base this all on the progression of stride length is ridiculous.
At some point, due to the effects of drugs, it will become more and more likely that the world records are held by drug cheats because more and more talented people will get their hands on them.
J.O. wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Jon,
What ever happened to your claims that neuromuscular coordination was the key to running fast?
It's the same claim in different words. If you are already in good shape and you are at your ideal racing weight, then to run with a longer stride you have to improve neuromuscular coordination.
Isn't that kinda obvious?
Well, it wasn't obvious to me, so that is why I asked the question. I'm curious as to why you changed both handle and terminology.
What are the systems that need to be more trained in order to increase stride length? Less ground contact time? More power? Faster nerve response/muscle firing?
My strides always shrink in the wash
Will humans evolve to get faster just for sport?
If there is enough money to chase, maybe so.
But there is a chance that humans will invlove into people similar to the charactars in the movie Wall-E.
http://gymfinity.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/wall-e-human.jpg
How does it help to look at stride lengths, rather than something like race times? Maybe it would help me to see where you want to go with this alternate viewpoint.
It's easy to increase stride length, and decrease stride rate, and end up with a slower time. (We call this overstriding).
It's easy to increase stride length, by cutting the race distance in half.
What you are really saying, is that stride lengths will get longer, without decreasing stride rates, or compromising the endurance to complete the race distance, presumably with the right training approach, and without drugs.
Assuming we just set a PR, and that stride rates remain fairly constant for an athlete, then it becomes a meaningless tautology. Times will get faster, because times will get faster. It's too obvious to be controversial, yet few people express it.
What's the consequence of changing perspectives? The next step is to see how that affects your approach to training. Does anything change? If not, then what's the value added of measuring stride lengths, and stride rates, versus simply looking at race times? If so, then what?
World records will get faster, as the events are run in less and less time!
toro wrote:
Will humans evolve to get faster just for sport?
If there is enough money to chase, maybe so.
But there is a chance that humans will invlove into people similar to the charactars in the movie Wall-E.
http://gymfinity.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/wall-e-human.jpg
Evolution only occurs when something is a reproductive advantage. So if everyone but runners gets too obese to have sex, we will start evolving.
World records (running) are not generally getting faster.
The mens 100m, 200m, 800m, half marathon, marathon and 110m hurdles. The womens 5000m and 3000m sc are the only WR to have improved in the last 5 years.
The 800 and 110m h has improved 0.1 and .01 respectively. Even the marathon has only improved 56secs in this period.
