Also if it was not how much were your times off vs somthing like a flat fast road.I am thinking 1 min to 1 and a 1/2.Dont type up somthing like it was fast or somthing like it was short you will look like a fool.The runners this year were good.The best in some years.3 times up that big hill and the downhill that people spoke of for like 1 month before does not make a fast course.So how much was the 10k off?I know its cc but i was watching 31 guys run high 32s.Anyway great race put on this year for the fall/clubs cc will the one on feb 5 2011 be better.One of the best club cc in some years.Good job.