My guess is that the fastest last recorded lap ever in each of these races is pretty close. My guess is that all are within 1.5 seconds of each other.
My guess is that the fastest last recorded lap ever in each of these races is pretty close. My guess is that all are within 1.5 seconds of each other.
you think someone ran 49.xx in at 10k?
wrong
what 800m did someone close in 47?
close wrote:
you think someone ran 49.xx in at 10k?
wrong
steeplemesome wrote:
what 800m did someone close in 47?
How do you two process what he said and come to that conclusion?
The fastest last lap in any race is probably 50.5 in a 1500. The OP's original speculation is that the fastest last laps of all events is within 1.5 seconds, or a range of 50.5 -52.0. If not correct, he is mighty damn close.
At 1500m, I believe Morecli closed 50.3 in the '93 world champs. I've heard Steve Cram ran 49.9 to close out a 1500 once but not sure if that's urban legend or not. At 5k, Morceli has closed in 51.8, Lagat in 51.9...don't know if anyone has gone faster. At 800m, I think Ovett closed in 50.x in the '80 olympic final. Not sure if anyone has gone faster. 3k/10k I'm not sure but would guess 52.x for 10k
No5thGear wrote:
My guess is that the fastest last recorded lap ever in each of these races is pretty close. My guess is that all are within 1.5 seconds of each other.
That conclusion is exactly what "steeplemesome" was being consistent with, assuming that 49.xx (O.K., 49.0-49.4) was the "given" proffered by "close". If 49(.4) for 10K, then 47(.9) for 800. See it now?.
malmo wrote:
close wrote:you think someone ran 49.xx in at 10k?
wrong
steeplemesome wrote:
what 800m did someone close in 47?
How do you two process what he said and come to that conclusion?
The fastest last lap in any race is probably 50.5 in a 1500. The OP's original speculation is that the fastest last laps of all events is within 1.5 seconds, or a range of 50.5 -52.0. If not correct, he is mighty damn close.
In the 1995 WC at 10,000m I beleive Geb closed the last 200 in around 24.5.
I don't recall the last 400...maybe 51 or 52.
In 1992 Chaco closed in 50.5 but Rachid El Basir closed fatser for Silver.
Finding splits is tough.
Keep Googling.
Last Lap wrote:
That conclusion is exactly what "steeplemesome" was being consistent with, assuming that 49.xx (O.K., 49.0-49.4) was the "given" proffered by "close".
If 49(.4) for 10K, then 47(.9) for 800. See it now?.
Speak English? Neither post by "close" or "steeplemesome" is a logical conclusion to the OP's premise.
Don't call this a definitive list, it is a collection of results over the years.
50.8 Ovett 1980 Oly 27.2, 27.4, 26.5, 24.3 (54.6/50.8) 1:45.4
51.2 Coe 1980 Olympics 27.3, 27.4, 26.7, 24.5 (54.7/51.2)
53.0….Coe….1984 Olympics 3:32.53
49.9… Cram … 87 Euro 3:45.5
51.5....Morceli....1991 WC 3:32.85
50.7....Cacho......1992 Olympics 3:40.12
50.6....Morceli....1993 WC 25.2, 50.6, 1:49.0, in a 3:34.24 race
51.3....Morceli....1995 WC 25.9, 51.28, 1:49.0 3:33.73
53.6....Morceli....1996 Olympics
51.5....ElGuerrouj.1997 WC
53.9....ElGuerrouj.2003 WC
51.9....ElGuerrouj.2004 Olympics (12.7,12.9,12.9,13.4) (but Silva had 51.3)
54.1....Ramzi......2005 WC (but Kaouch had 53.1)
5000
53.9….Aouita….Oslo 85 13:00.4WR
52.8….Aouita….1987 WC 13:26.3
52.2…Morcelli….1994 Zurich 13:03.85
53.4…. Kipchoge…2003 WC 12:52.79
53.5…. El Guerrouj…2003 WC 12:52.83
53.6…. Bekele…2003 WC 12:53.12
2007 13:45.87 - 52.3 (Bernard Lagat)
2005 13:32.55 - 54.2 (Benjamin Limo)
2004 13:14.39 - 52.6 (Hicham El Guerrouj)
2003 12:52.79 - 53.4 (Eliud Kipchoge)
2001 13:00.77 - ???? (Richard Limo)
2000 13:35.49 - ???? (Million Wolde)
1999 12:58.13 - 56.0 (Salah Hissou)
1997 13:07.38 - ???? (Daniel Komen)
1996 13:07.96 - 54.9 (Venuste Niyongabo)
1995 13:16.77 - 56.6 (Ismael Kirui)
1993 13:02.75 - 60.0 (Ismael Kirui)
1992 13:12.52 - 56.1 (Dieter Baumann)
1991 13:14.45 - ???? (Yobes Ondieki)
1988 13:11.70 - 60.3 (John Ngugi)
1987 13:26.44 - 53.2 (Said Aouita)
1984 13:05.59 - 55.0 (Said Aouita)
1983 13:28.53 - 57.3 (Eamonn Coghlan)
1980 13:21.0h - 54.9 (Miruts Yifter)
1976 13:24.8h - 55.4 (Lasse Viren)
1972 13:26.4h - ???? (Lasse Viren)
1968 14:05.0h - 54.8 (Mohamed Gammoudi)
10000
53.9….Bayessa…1992 Oslo 27:15
2003 WC 5000
53.4 Kipchoge 12:52.79
53.5 El Guerrouj 12:52.83
53.6 Bekele 12:53.12
2004 Oly 5000
52.6 Bekele (2nd) 13:14
2004 Oly 10000
52.9 Bekele
Sebastian Coe Ecup79 200 in 24.1 for 1:46.3
Tom McKean, Nixon Kiprotich and Jens-Peter Herold in the 1989 World Cup
200 in 24.9 for 1:44.94/1:45.03/1:45.09
At 1500
Said Aouita Grosseto 84 300 in 36 for 3:34.81
Sebastian Coe OG 84 400 in 53.0 for 3:32.53
Steve Cram and Jose-Luis Gonzalez in the 1987 European Cup
400 in 49.9 for 3:45.5
Abdi Bile, Sebastian Coe and Jens-Peter Herold in the 1989 World Cup
300 in 37.7/37.8 for 3:35.57/3:35.7
Nourredine Morceli WC91 400 in 51.4 for 3:32.85
Nourredine Morceli WC93 400 in 50.6 for 3:34.23
Cacho's was 50.5 or 50.2?(3:40.12),
Aouita 51.7 (3:29.71),
Ryun 50.6 (3:38.2),
El G 53.1(3:26.00)
At 5000
Said Aouita Oslo 85 400 in 53.9 for 13:00.40WR (pursued by Maree)
Said Aouita WC 87 400 in 52.8 for 13:26.3
Dieter Baumann OG 92 200 in 24.9 for a 13:12.5.
Nourredin Morceli Zurich 17.8.94
400 in 51.93 for 13:03.xx
At 10000
Juha Vaatainen EC 71 400 in 52.8 for 27:51? (not sure about the total)
Fita Bayesa Oslo 92 400 in 53.9 for 27:15 (Chelimo 54.8 same race
Let me simplify for you malmo, is 47.9 seconds within 1.5 seconds of 49.4?
malmo wrote:
Last Lap wrote:That conclusion is exactly what "steeplemesome" was being consistent with, assuming that 49.xx (O.K., 49.0-49.4) was the "given" proffered by "close".
If 49(.4) for 10K, then 47(.9) for 800. See it now?.
Speak English? Neither post by "close" or "steeplemesome" is a logical conclusion to the OP's premise.
Last Lap wrote:
Let me simplify for you malmo, is 47.9 seconds within 1.5 seconds of 49.4?
The OP wrote:
My guess is that all are within 1.5 seconds of each other.
He didn't say they were all laid out in increments of 1.5 seconds or less as you move up the distance ladder.
It looks so far like he was close. The fastest last laps at any of these distances are 49.9-50.3, and the slowest so far are low 52s. So his basic point was right, we just need to widen the range out to about 2-2.5 seconds.
Last Lap wrote:
Let me simplify for you malmo, is 47.9 seconds within 1.5 seconds of 49.4?
What on earth does 49.4 have to so with the simple premise the OP made.
Simplify me?
malmo wrote:
What on earth does 49.4 have to so with the simple premise the OP made.
Simplify me?
Here's what was said, and the translation:
1) What close said: "you think someone ran 49.xx in at 10k? wrong"
2) Translation: "I have knowledge that some other race somewhere was closed in 47 or 48. Therefore, since the OP thinks all final 400's are within 1.5 seconds, it follows that the OP thinks a 10k was closed in 49.xx. No way."
3) What steeplemesome said: "what 800m did someone close in 47"
4) Translation: "I have decoded your statement, Mr. close, and the premise of your objection is incorrect. No one closed a distance race in 47, though I suppose if they had it would have been an 800. So answer me this - where is this 800 that was closed in 47 that you speak of?"
At least I think that's what happened.
let me translate i speak idiot wrote:
At least I think that's what happened.
You would have to speak and think idiot to understand that.
(1)The OP, "No5thGear", said:
"My guess is that the fastest last recorded lap ever in each of these races is pretty close. My guess is that all are within 1.5 seconds of each other."
This is a simple statement. No5thgear believes that the fastest last laps of all races 800 meters to 10k are grouped within 1.5 seconds of one another.
(2) "Close" said:
"you think someone ran 49.xx in at 10k? wrong"
There is no logical nexus from statement (1) to response (2)
(3) "steeplemesome" said:
"what 800m did someone close in 47?"
Again, another illogical statement not related to the original premise.
let me translate i speak idiot wrote:
1) What close said: "you think someone ran 49.xx in at 10k? wrong"
2) Translation: "I have knowledge that some other race somewhere was closed in 47 or 48. Therefore, since the OP thinks all final 400's are within 1.5 seconds, it follows that the OP thinks a 10k was closed in 49.xx. No way."
So you really think that (1) means (2)? That's a fantastic stretch.
Mid-thread correctness percentage:
100%: "steeplemesome", "Last Lap", "picklefarmer", and "let me translate i speak idiot"
90%: "No5thGear" (for possible outliers)
50%: "malmo" (+1 for providing the correct answer in the original post, 0 for completely misreading the "close"/"steeplemesome" conversation)
0%: "close"
I believe Ryun closed a 1500 in 50x a couple of times and they typically close in 50/51 in the Keyan National Championships. I would guess Lagat closed the AR 3K in 51x and Alan Webb and Michael Stember closed a 1500/mile in 52x in H.S. Being able to close a 1500 in 52x has become the standard in pro championship races.
80%: "Timmy Jenkins" (for misuse of prepositions, "in" instead of any number of better options)
There's already been a recent thread on this very subject...
(from Flotrack post about Jim Ryun's finish in US vs Germany meet):
... In Dusseldorf Germany about 6 weeks later, he raced two Germans who had BIG kicks - around 52 to 54 last lap types by the name of Harold Norpoth and Bodo Tummler. No one in Europe out-kicked Bodo. With 300m to go and 85,000 screaming Germans, Ryun whips out to lane 3 because he was boxed in. He proceeded to run 11.9 back stretch 100m finishing in about 36.4 final 300m and clocking between 49 and 50.2 on his last lap. He ran 3:37 for meters (if memory serves!) and won by 4 seconds in the final 300m over the best European kicker!
Another thing to consider is that it isn't always the WINNER who runs the fastest last lap. For example in the 1500 final in the 1992 Olympics Cacho ran very fast (50 pt.) but the second place finisher El-Basir ran the fastest last lap (a few tenths faster, I believe).
malmo wrote:
let me translate i speak idiot wrote:At least I think that's what happened.
You would have to speak and think idiot to understand that.
(1)The OP, "No5thGear", said:
"My guess is that the fastest last recorded lap ever in each of these races is pretty close. My guess is that all are within 1.5 seconds of each other."
This is a simple statement. No5thgear believes that the fastest last laps of all races 800 meters to 10k are grouped within 1.5 seconds of one another.
(2) "Close" said:
"you think someone ran 49.xx in at 10k? wrong"
There is no logical nexus from statement (1) to response (2)
(3) "steeplemesome" said:
"what 800m did someone close in 47?"
Again, another illogical statement not related to the original premise.
let me translate i speak idiot wrote:
1) What close said: "you think someone ran 49.xx in at 10k? wrong"
2) Translation: "I have knowledge that some other race somewhere was closed in 47 or 48. Therefore, since the OP thinks all final 400's are within 1.5 seconds, it follows that the OP thinks a 10k was closed in 49.xx. No way."
So you really think that (1) means (2)? That's a fantastic stretch.
Malmo, yes you are right that it was illogical, but it was also intentional. He was trying to POINT OUT the lack of logical nexus from (1) to (2). Think outside the box.