Global warming deniers, can you also deny ocean acidification?

We Deniers have already refuted successfully you idiots who were messing with the data because it didn't jive with your lies. Get Lost dude! Global Warming Hoax!!! ARe you really that much of an idiot?

Apparently the Intra Academy Council is fed up with your faux-science. IPCC and East Anglia Climate Research Units have both be caught with fraudulent global warming claims and data manipulation.

http://reviewipcc.interacademycouncil.net/ReportNewsRelease.html

TCB wrote:

Towards the end of the video, he talks about the dangers of ocean acidification and how it alone is cause to change our behaviors. How do you respond, deniers?

Yikes! Not "ocean acidification"!

Next thing we are going to face is air proliferation.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

Your link wrote:

UNITED NATIONS — The process used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to produce its periodic assessment reports has been successful overall,

hmm

Tugboat Sam wrote:

We Deniers have already refuted successfully you idiots who were messing with the data because it didn't jive with your lies. Get Lost dude! Global Warming Hoax!!! ARe you really that much of an idiot?

I think I made it pretty clear that this thread was not going to be about global warming. If you think you are so good at science and can out wit these climate Phds then I challenge you to do so again. Otherwise, if you think ocean acidification is a threat to the planet, then say so.

al bore wrote:

Yikes! Not "ocean acidification"!

Next thing we are going to face is air proliferation.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

You are a dumb person.

Guldens Gulch wrote:

You are a dumb person.

You are a smart person.

You have to understand something,many of the "deniers" argue less about whether or not the earth is warming than the cause. I can accept that the earth has warmed from some point in history to now (just as I can accept that it might be cooler than at some other time in history). The issue is: Is man causing this change?

I think man's contribution is small if not zero.

You think.

Based on what? What you simply want to believe?

Do you fools really think all of our emissions don't go anywhere or amount to anything?

Thinking today that our emissions into atmosphere just disappear and have no cumulative effect is akin to living in the 19th century and thinking whales would just replenish themselves and forever be an inexhaustible resource.

luv2run wrote:

You have to understand something,many of the "deniers" argue less about whether or not the earth is warming than the cause. I can accept that the earth has warmed from some point in history to now (just as I can accept that it might be cooler than at some other time in history). The issue is: Is man causing this change?

I think man's contribution is small if not zero.

if you watch the video, the guy explains that man's contribution is significant. Either way, that is not what this thread is about. global warming and ocean acidification are two different issue with the same cause. if global warming doesn't exist, we could still end up killing half the life on earth by poisoning the oceans with carbon dioxide which dissolves in water.

foolishness wrote:

You think.

Based on what? What you simply want to believe?

Do you fools really think all of our emissions don't go anywhere or amount to anything?

Thinking today that our emissions into atmosphere just disappear and have no cumulative effect is akin to living in the 19th century and thinking whales would just replenish themselves and forever be an inexhaustible resource.

If the science was sound than there wouldn't be so many scandals about the data, methods and conclusions would there?

Can you think of any branch of science where a preset conclusion is being enforced by a small cadre of scientists to match the whims of a political movement?

the planet has evolved into a very efficient filter. Can that filter fail?... yeah, probably. I think most agree that we need to and can minimize our "carbon footprint", but the way in which the intervention attempts are being pursued is what raises suspicion. A founding member (1 of 3) of GreenPeace has talked many times about the green movement hijacking by the political left... the monetary potential is the icing on the cake in terms of control. "Energy" is the most valuable commodity on the planet. It is not hard to figure out, people.

I am very concerned about pollution. I would like to run on the street without inhaling car exhaust.

CO2 is not a pollutant. Brown gunk is. Car exhaust is something all runners should be concerned about. It directly effects our health more than others and should be our focus of activism. Not CO2.

Bad scientists wrote:

foolishness wrote:

You think.

Based on what? What you simply want to believe?

Do you fools really think all of our emissions don't go anywhere or amount to anything?

Thinking today that our emissions into atmosphere just disappear and have no cumulative effect is akin to living in the 19th century and thinking whales would just replenish themselves and forever be an inexhaustible resource.

If the science was sound than there wouldn't be so many scandals about the data, methods and conclusions would there?

Can you think of any branch of science where a preset conclusion is being enforced by a small cadre of scientists to match the whims of a political movement?

intelligent design

econo

Bad scientists wrote:

Can you think of any branch of science where a preset conclusion is being enforced by a small cadre of scientists to match the whims of a political movement?

Nope, i can't. Certainly not climatology.

based on the ongoing Sunspot Magnetism---Livingston & Penn threads, it appears that the odds of maunder minimum = dalton minimum = 40% each with 1913 style cooling at 20%. This means the odds of a 200 year mini-ice age = 30 year cooling period with one or the other at 80%. Wikipedia maunder or dalton minimum and step out of your global warming religion for a change.

Why Global Warming and Cap & Trade is such a big deal to Obama & Algore:

So . . . You think you know quite a bit about Obama and his band of thieves. Read on and see just how little you know. All of this comes together in the last part... a must read. This is an interesting story put together from various articles and TV shows by the British Times paper. It shows what Obama and his friends are really all about. It's not hope and change, it is money.

I warn you, the first part is a little boring, but stick with it. The second part connects all the dots for you (it will open your eyes). The end explains how Obama and all his cronies will end up as multi-billionaires. (It's definitely worth the read. You will not be disappointed).

A small bank in Chicago called SHOREBANK almost went bankrupt during the recession. The bank made a profit on its foreign micro-loans (see below) but had lost money in sub-prime mortgages in the US. It was facing likely closure by federal regulators. However, because the bank's executives were well connected with members of the Obama Administration, a private rescue bailout was arranged. The bank's employees had donated money to Obama's Senate campaign. In other words, SHOREBANK was too politically connected to be allowed to go under. SHOREBANK survived and invested in many "green" businesses such as solar panel manufacturing. In fact, the bank was mentioned in one of Obama's speeches during his election campaign because it subjected new business borrowers to Eco-litmus tests.

Prior to becoming President, Obama sat on the board of the JOYCE FOUNDATION, a liberal charity. This foundation was originally established by Joyce Kean's family which had accumulated millions of dollars in the lumber industry. It mostly gave funds to hospitals but after her death in 1972, the foundation was taken over by radical environmentalists and social justice extremists. This JOYCE FOUNDATION, which is rumored to have assets of 8 billion dollars, has now set up and funded, with a few partners, something called the CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE, known as CXX. It will be the exchange (like the Chicago Grain Futures Market for agriculture) where Environmental Carbon Credits are traded.

Under Obama's new bill, businesses in the future will be assessed a tax on how much CO2 they produce (their Carbon Footprint) or in other words how much they add to global warming. If a company produces less CO2 than their allotted measured limit, they earn a Carbon Credit. This Carbon Credit can be traded on the CXX exchange. Another company, which has gone over their CO2 limit, can buy the Credit and "reduce" their footprint and tax liability. It will be like trading shares on Wall Street.

Well, it was the same JOYCE FOUNDATION, along with some other private partners and Wall Street firms that funded the bailout of SHOREBANK. The foundation is now one of the major shareholders. The bank has now been designated to be the "banking arm" of the CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE (CXX). In addition, Goldman Sachs has been contracted to run the investment trading floor of the exchange.

So far so good; now the INTERESTING parts.

One SHOREBANK co-founder, named Jan Piercy, was a Wellesley College roommate of Hillary Clinton. Hillary and Bill Clinton have long supported the bank and are small investors. Another co-founder of SHOREBANK, named Mary Houghton, was a friend of Obama's late mother. Obama's mother worked on foreign MICRO-LOANS for the Ford Foundation. She worked for the foundation with a guy called Geithner. Yes, you guessed it. This man was the father of Timothy Geithner, our present Treasury Secretary, who failed to pay all his taxes for two years.

Another founder of SHOREBANK was Ronald Grzywinski, a cohort and close friend of Jimmy Carter.

The former SHOREBANK Vice Chairman was a man called Bob Nash. He was the deputy campaign manager of Hillary Clinton's presidential bid. He also sat on the board of the Chicago Law School with Obama and Bill Ayers, the former terrorist. Nash was also a member of Obama's White House transition team. (To jog your memories, Bill Ayers is a Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. He founded the Weather Underground, a radical revolutionary group that bombed buildings in the 60s and 70s. He had no remorse for those who were killed, escaped jail on a technicality, and is still an admitted Marxist).

When Obama sat on the board of the JOYCE FOUNDATION, he "funneled" thousands of charity dollars to a guy named John Ayers, who runs a dubious education fund. Yes, you guessed it. The brother of Bill Ayers, the terrorist.

Howard Stanback is a board member of SHOREBANK. He is a former board chairman of the Woods Foundation. Obama and Bill Ayers, the terrorist, also sat on the board of the Woods Foundation. Stanback was formerly employed by New Kenwood Inc., a real estate development company co-owned by Tony Rezko.

(You will remember that Tony Rezko was the guy who gave Obama an amazing sweet deal on his new house. Years prior to this, the law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland had represented Rezko's company and helped him get more than 43 million dollars in government funding. Guess who worked as a lawyer at the firm at the time. Yes, Barack Obama).

Adele Simmons, the Director of SHOREBANK, is a close friend of Valerie Jarrett, a White House senior advisor to Obama. Simmons and Jarrett also sit on the board of a dubious Chicago Civic Organization.

Van Jones sits on the board of SHOREBANK and is one the marketing directors for "green" projects. He also holds a senior advisor position for black studies at Princeton University. You will remember that Mr. Van Jones was appointed by Obama in 2009 to be a Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House. He was forced to resign over past political activities, including the fact that he is a Marxist

Al Gore was one of the smaller partners to originally help fund the CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE. He also founded a company called Generation Investment Management (GIM) and registered it in London, England. GIM has close links to the UK-based Climate Exchange PLC, a holding company listed on the London Stock Exchange. This company trades Carbon Credits in Europe (just like CXX will do here) and its floor is run by Goldman Sachs.

Along with Gore, the other co-founder of GIM is Hank Paulson, the former US Treasury Secretary and former CEO of Goldman Sachs. His wife, Wendy, graduated from and is presently a Trustee of Wellesley College. Yes, the same college that Hillary Clinton and Jan Piercy, a co-founder of SHOREBANK attended. (They are all friends).

Interesting? And now the closing...

Because many studies have been exposed as scientific nonsense, people are slowly realizing that man-made global warming is nothing more than a money-generating hoax. As a result, Obama is working feverishly to win the race. He aims to push a Cap-and-Trade Carbon Tax Bill through Congress and into law.

Obama knows he must get this passed before he loses his majority in Congress in the November elections. Apart from Climate Change he will "sell" this bill to the public as generating tax revenue to reduce our debt. But, it will also make it impossible for US companies to compete in world markets and drastically increase unemployment. In addition, energy prices (home utility rates) will sky rocket.

But, here's the KICKER (THE MONEY TRAIL).

If the bill passes, it is estimated that over 10 TRILLION dollars each year will be traded on the CXX exchange. At a commission rate of only 4 percent, the exchange would earn close to 400 billion dollars to split between its owners, all Obama cronies. At a 2 percent rate, Goldman Sachs would also rake in 200 billion dollars each year.

But don't forget SHOREBANK. With 10 trillion dollars flowing though its accounts, the bank will earn close to 40 billion dollars in interest each year for its owners (more Obama cronies), without even breaking a sweat.

It is estimated Al Gore alone will probably rake in 15 billion dollars just in the first year. Of course, Obama's "commissions" will be held in trust for him at the Joyce Foundation. They are estimated to be over 8 billion dollars by the time he leaves office in 2013, if the bill passes this year. Of course, these commissions will continue to be paid for the rest of his life.

Some financial experts think this will be the largest "scam" or "legal heist" in world history. Obama's cronies make the Mafia look like rank amateurs. They will make Bernie Madoff's fraud look like penny ante stuff.

Whoaaah, wasn't Goldman Sachs bailed out too? Hmmm....

Global warming hysteria gets refuted and you change the subject.

We could just as easily say, "you global warming nuts couldn't successfully ram that junk science down the world's throat, what will you try now?"