Someone mentioned that in "Lance Armstrong doing Ironman" post. Hmmm ... I have a tough time believing that. A very good 10k runner does that fresh. After a swim and a strong bike, that has to be equivalent to maybe 1 28:30 10K, something an Alan Culpepper might run. He was a great runner and these guys are his equivalents with their supremacy in the other two disciplines?
It comes down to short courses.
Tim Don entered an open 10k (track) recently and ran 28:56. He is one of the top guys in the sport. These guys are running 30 minute 10k's on a good day, but it is true that SOME of the courses are short.
I could see maybe two or three of the very best in world running 30-flat but no way a bunch running that fast at end of triathlon.
If you go out to major tri results sites you'll see a fair number of Olympic distance elites closing in 31 or 32 which isn't too shabby after the swim and bike, but you only see a handful finish under 31.
Mark Allen ran 29:59 on the roads. Simon Blessing (AUS) ran in the 28s somewhere. They do, but pretty rarely. Sub-30:00 is probably like a sub-27:10 for a true track stud.
wqrtuzrg wrote:
Mark Allen ran 29:59 on the roads. Simon Blessing (AUS) ran in the 28s somewhere. They do, but pretty rarely. Sub-30:00 is probably like a sub-27:10 for a true track stud.
Yes but if they ran sub 30 at the end of a triathalon then they would run 27:10 on the track...which is why they cant run sub 30 at the end of a triathalon....more like 32-35 depending on how far the swim and bike was. Remember they are also running on the road... semi elite road runners run sub 30 on the road... there is no way there matching that when thats not even there specialty, nor are they even close to fresh...
Don wrote:
Tim Don entered an open 10k (track) recently and ran 28:56. He is one of the top guys in the sport. These guys are running 30 minute 10k's on a good day, but it is true that SOME of the courses are short.
I didn't believe this so I looked it up. While it was not a track 10k, it was a legitimate road 10k, won by Mr. Gebrselassie himself. Sergiy Lebid and Rui Silva also ran. Silva only beat Don by 6 seconds. Wow, I'm impressed.
Results:
http://runinfinity.com/2010/05/great-manchester-run-2010-results.htmlwhy do you have a tough time believing that triathletes are that fast?
look at webb, ritz, Mottram, and Lukas Verzbikas! Triathletes (serious, elite triathletes) absolutely MAXIMIZE their aerobic training. They probably have the most developed cardio systems out of just about ANY sport. They run, and bike, and swim.
Many triathlon run courses are simply required to be within 10% of the stated distance.
Pippi Pippilongstocking wrote:
Someone mentioned that in "Lance Armstrong doing Ironman" post. Hmmm ... I have a tough time believing that. A very good 10k runner does that fresh. After a swim and a strong bike, that has to be equivalent to maybe 1 28:30 10K, something an Alan Culpepper might run. He was a great runner and these guys are his equivalents with their supremacy in the other two disciplines?
In the big picture, a "pretty good" 10K runner does around 30 flat. "Very good" 10K runners go two or three minutes faster. Culpepper was a 27:33 10K guy.
Mark Allen ran that time in an open road race, not at the end of some mismeasured course. Just saying his running ability as a triathlete overall (run-bike-swim, he swam for the Univ. of Arizona), is roughly equivalent to a low (mid?) 27-minute 10K runner if he can pull a 30:00 (open 10K), as well as having the ability to ride like the wind and swim like a banshee.
Jarrod Shoemaker ran a 14 minute 5k certified road 5k last year.
swim like a banshee
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all too often the case, unfortunately. I can recall ripping off the "14flat" 5k off the bike...haha, or 4.xxKm or whatever.the simon lessing time trial referenced above was a week prior to '97 worlds in perth, simon ran around 29:15 on the track, and then Macca went 29:10 just to one up him. Macca won worlds that year IIRC.the gold standard for coming off the bike is under a min. the realistic human limit is 45sec, but thats ONLY if the bike was easy-sleazy. 60-90sec is typical, which is why when you see these 30flat times, they're unbelievable for a reason. Shoemaker can run but he can't run 30flat. 30:xx sure, but not 30 flat, sorry. Whitfield, gomez, brownlee, don....those guys can all run 30flat but not every weekend, so when you see 29:xx, obviously quite short.dude-
El Hombre wrote:
Many triathlon run courses are simply required to be within 10% of the stated distance.
from the FAQ of one race:
3. Is the 5K Run USA Track & Field certified?
No. When we started the 5K run the course measured by USATF for certification. However, the course is a cross-country style run, the possible variations in course measurement makes certification difficult on an ongoing basis. We do map the course at the USATF website for reference and training.
Alistair Brownlee has also run 29:35 at Manchester 10k, the year before.
This years London Tri, everyone reported a long run course, and times suffered as a result. Think accuracy is often a problem.
well there you have it, if alistair (one of the better runners in triathlon) can swing an open 29:30, then if he sneaks inside the golden minute, viola, 30:30.....of course, he and about 5-6 others in the world are the exception, NOT the rule. To be fair, i believe the manchester course runs a bit quick compared to say the great ireland run (bupa-dublin) but it's still a 10k so i'll give them credit
dude-
These guys run in the 2:30's and low 2:40's at the end of an ironman distance triathlon for the marathon.
A race report in Triathlete Magazine in the 80s mentioned my sterling 31:xx 10k at the end of a Tri. Interesting because my legit pr was only 31:56. So yeah, the distances are often not accurate.