Deep field at New Haven 20k. Predictions?

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  • Yale is here
    9 years ago 08/31/2010 1:59pm CDT
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    Men
    Allen Wagner
    Ben Bruce
    Brendan Callahan
    Brett Gotcher
    Chris Chavez
    Dan Browne
    Dan McGrath
    Doug Goodhue
    Fernando Cabada
    Jake Schmitt
    James Carney
    Jason Hartman
    Jeffery Rios
    Josh Moen
    Justin Young
    Michael Kilburg
    Michael Rolek
    Mike Sayenko
    Mohamed Trafeh
    Patrick Rizzo
    Patrick Smyth
    Patrick Tarpy
    Peter Gilmore
    Ryan Sheehan
    Sean Quigley
    Seth Pilkinton
    Stephan Shay
    Zachary Hine


    Women
    Amy Hastings
    Ann Alyanak
    Carol Jefferson
    Cassie Slade
    Clara Peterson
    Colleen Dereuck
    Elizabeth Herndon
    Emily Potter
    Erin Nehus
    Heidi Westover
    Kara Storage
    Kathryn Hatch
    Katie Dicamillo
    Kristen Fryburg-Zaitz
    Lauren Johnson
    Lauren Uhler
    Loretta Kilmer
    Magdalena Lewy Boulet
    Megan Hovis
    Nan Kennard
    Nicole Hagobian
    Reilly Kiernan
    Sharon Lemberger
    Stephanie Rothstein
    Tara Storage
    Tera Moody
    Zoila Gomez
  • 45fgb
    9 years ago 08/31/2010 2:03pm CDT
    re: Yale is here
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    Trafeh will win since they do not drug test and then go race a weekend 10k after that since none of the major marathons will tough him. good luck with that mo
  • mine are...
    9 years ago 08/31/2010 3:10pm CDT
    re: 45fgb
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    Hastings then Lewy Boulet for the women.
    Trafeh then Gotcher for the Men.
  • No so Fast
    9 years ago 08/31/2010 3:44pm CDT
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    I'm a male hoping to run around 1:10-1:11 for the 20k and thought there would be a good pack of women to run with. Looking at last year's results, it seems like, generally speaking, the women splintered pretty early. The women in that 1:10-1:11 range went through 10k in:

    34:19
    34:26
    34:55

    So there was a decently wide gap by halfway through.

    Also, it looks like almost no one in that race ran even or negative split. Having never run New Haven before, is the back half harder then the front half? I was thinking I would try and run 5:40-45 from the gun, and then hopefully feel good to crank the last 3 miles.

    Thoughts?
  • P.Smitty
    9 years ago 08/31/2010 4:01pm CDT
    re: No so Fast
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    Patrick Smythe for the win!
  • Contrarian
    9 years ago 08/31/2010 4:26pm CDT
    re: No so Fast
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    A disciplined time-trialer can easily negative split. Be careful on a hot day as the middle of the course is exposed.
  • Q the tape
    9 years ago 08/31/2010 8:14pm CDT
    re: Yale is here
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    I'll be rooting for the Storage Twins, go Infinite Running!
  • flaker
    9 years ago 08/31/2010 11:10pm CDT
    re: No so Fast
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    The elite race usually goes out pretty fast the first mile and so everyone gets sucked into that....it is one of the few perfectly flat miles. It's usually fairly warm, so that is also going to make it harder to negative split. There are some rolling hills in the middle, but after 10 miles there is a little downhill and the last mile or so is fairly straight and flat. I ran a slight positive split there, but I thought (effort-wise) i was going to significantly negative split it.
  • towhee
    9 years ago 08/31/2010 11:24pm CDT
    re: flaker
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    I will be rooting for Mike Sayenko.
  • CORNELL XC
    9 years ago 08/31/2010 11:33pm CDT
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    ZAC HINE FOR THE WIN
  • No so Fast
    9 years ago 09/01/2010 7:05am CDT
    re: flaker
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    Cool... thanks flaker. Didn't realize any point of the course was rolling. The way they make it sound on the website is perfectly flat with the exception of 2 hills that aren't much of a big deal. Good to know that its, in fact, rolling.

    Sounds like it may make the most sense to run the 1st mile as easy as possible (maybe, for me, like 5:50) and then just try and settle into 5:40-45 before really trying to get going on that slight downhill and the last 3.

    Although, more then likely, I'll just race. I want to use this to see where I'm at with about 5 weeks to go until Chicago, so I should probably just take some risks, not look at the watch, and race.
  • Ray
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    9 years ago 09/01/2010 8:09am CDT
    re: No so Fast
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    Not sure where the rolling hills are in the middle. That's about as flat as can be. Weather is forcast as 72 and little hunidity. Times will be super fast unless the hurricane switches direction and heads straight back (which won't happen)

    If you wear a watch and pay attention to splits, you won't have to plan a strategy that involves following the women around the course. Not sure what kind of strategy that is, although it could be a good one if you want to enjoy the scenery rather than run fast.
  • No so Fast
    9 years ago 09/01/2010 8:20am CDT
    re: ray
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    Yeah, like I said, will probably just race it and see where that lands me. Just need to make sure I don't go out faster then 5:35 and no slower then 5:50, take stock of my effort level, and just run.
  • gently rolling
    9 years ago 09/01/2010 8:28am CDT
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    http://www.usatf.org/routes/view.asp?rID=2096

    918 ft. of elevation change. I'd characterize it as "gently rolling", with a few good hills around 2-3 and 9+. To put it in perspective, most marathon courses are around 1000-1800 ft. of elevation change, so New Haven is comparable (but less than half the distance). The course is like a miniature version of Twin Cities, even the timing of the large hill around 9.
  • Ray
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    9 years ago 09/01/2010 1:41pm CDT
    re: gently rolling
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    [quote]gently rolling wrote:

    http://www.usatf.org/routes/view.asp?rID=2096

    "918 ft. of elevation change......"

    I find this hard to believe unless the figure is for the total number of feet it climbs and drops over the 20.1km. starts and ends in the same spot (within meters) Small hill on Grasso at 2-3, might be called a hill if you live in Indiana. NO WAY THIS COURSE CAN BE DEFINED AS ROLLING OR EVEN GENTLY ROLLING. Then flat as a pancake until the small hill that leads into East Rock Parkat about 9.5. Slight change in elevation as you approach 4 miles. Most people don't even notice it.
  • gently rolling
    9 years ago 09/01/2010 1:58pm CDT
    re: ray
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    Have you run a pancake flat course like Chicago? Or Houston? Or the Indy Mini? New Haven is NOT flat-- having run it, gently rolling is a perfect description. The hills aren't that significant (except for the hill around 9, which is noticeable), but on the whole the course is undulating for a majority of it. It feels just like what you can expect at Twin Cities (which I've run twice as well). Both courses can be fast, very fast, cause the undulation helps you maintain your momentum and not beat up your legs through repetitious muscle usage. And I'm saying this coming from a hilly location and having trained on mountains at 8,000-11,000 ft. my last two marathons.
  • leonard stotch
    9 years ago 09/01/2010 2:05pm CDT
    re: Yale is here
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    1. Brett Gotcher
    2. Mo Trafeh
    3. James Carney
    4. Patrick Smythe
    5. Patrick Rizzo/Dan Browne

    1. Magda Lewy-Boulet
    2. Tera Moody
    3. Amy Hastings

    I'm hoping Carney pops a good one!

    Smythe could use a confidence booster.

    Anyone know what kind of shape Dan Browne is in?
  • what of it
    9 years ago 09/01/2010 2:47pm CDT
    re: leonard stotch
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    Where did that list of elites come from? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

    Nice that Brendan Callahan made the cut, he's a CT resident who runs a lot of road races!
  • Lists
    9 years ago 09/01/2010 2:55pm CDT
    re: what of it
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    http://www.runnerspace.com/news.php?do=view&news_id=12605

    It's a USATF Championship, they test.
  • 3TM
    9 years ago 09/01/2010 2:58pm CDT
    re: ray
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    I ran the Bronx Half this year. More then 1 person said it was "fairly flat with a few hills". I thought it was worse then running a 1/2 in Central Park.

    I'm going into New Haven assuming its hilly. I was taken by surprise in the Bronx and would rather be pleasantly surprised then shocked by the difficulty.