Rowbury technically sets the 3k AMERICAN RECORD!!!!!

Well Slaney ran all her best times, disappeared, then reappeared when older and tested positive. So, maybe you could believe her records were clean. Maybe.

Jacobs, though? Drug cheat all the way. All her fast times were chemically enhanced, without any doubt in my mind. For now, let's give Rowbury #2.

Decker-Slaney ran 2:01.4 when she was a 5'0" 93 pound 14 yr old, so you have to cut her some slack. She had the talent.

Rowbury has an Outdoor WC medal. She's made it. The rest are wannabes.

Wow, what a meet. Rowbury, Wheating, Gay, Symmonds, Lopex, Lagat, Johnson!!!

Rowbury, Gay, and Lagat have Oly and Iutdoor WC medals. Alysia has an Indoor WC medal. The rest have 0 medals.

Wow, 8:31 makes Shannon Rowbury almost an IC4A qualifier for dudes indoors. She would be a highly-sought-after dude coming out of high school.

Actually, this thread brings up an interesting point, maybe when an athlete is busted for PEDs, then any records they set previously should be stripped from the national and international lists, regardless of when they were set. So in Slaney's case, the USATF would remove all her of records. Doing this would provide that much more incentive not to dope for those runners on the downside of their careers. I can't think of an runner who has been caught for doping after they had set a world record, but lets say Bolt is busted for PEDs three years from now, then all his records would be removed from the IAAF and Jamacian lists, even though they were set several before.

Great meet wrote:

Wow, what a meet. Rowbury, Wheating, Gay, Symmonds, Lopex, Lagat, Johnson!!!

I know she didn't run a crazy time, but it was a ver solid race for Fleshman, only a few tics off her pr from 2007. Some people thought her us win was a fluke after she bombed her next 5k. But this race makes it look like she might be close to 15 flat shape. good comeback for her and hopefully some prs to follow.

Holdonthere wrote:

Actually, this thread brings up an interesting point, maybe when an athlete is busted for PEDs, then any records they set previously should be stripped from the national and international lists, regardless of when they were set. So in Slaney's case, the USATF would remove all her of records. Doing this would provide that much more incentive not to dope for those runners on the downside of their careers. I can't think of an runner who has been caught for doping after they had set a world record, but lets say Bolt is busted for PEDs three years from now, then all his records would be removed from the IAAF and Jamacian lists, even though they were set several before.

i agree 100%. but would add anyone who admits drug use even if not caught.

Holdonthere wrote:

I can't think of an runner who has been caught for doping after they had set a world record,

um, ever heard of Ben Johnson?

American women now running Soviet-era times.

I thought about Johnson, but I didn't think my suggested rule applied as he was actually he caught at the competition ('88 Olympics) that he set the record. However, you are right, as Johnson had the previous record which he had set at the '87 World Championships. So his '87 record would indeed have been wiped off the books.

tubeman wrote:

Decker-Slaney ran 2:01.4 when she was a 5'0" 93 pound 14 yr old, so you have to cut her some slack. She had the talent.

I don't agree. When you're a proven drug user, it's impossible to know when it all started.

you think she was using as a 12 year old girl at orange hs

Jack Johnson wrote:

tubeman wrote:

Decker-Slaney ran 2:01.4 when she was a 5'0" 93 pound 14 yr old, so you have to cut her some slack. She had the talent.

I don't agree. When you're a proven drug user, it's impossible to know when it all started.

ca. 1979-80

Huge props to Shannon!

I like how she took it out with 1 1/2 laps left too.

... you are all assuming Rowbury is also 100% clean. Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. Who knows.

notsobe wrote:

Okay so technically Mary Decker-Slaney and Regina Jacobs are ahead of her... but really, shouldn't she have the record? Or at least #2 all time.

When did Regina run a faster 3000? Her PB is an 8:39.14 indoor time from World Indoors in '99.

Correct. Jacobs best time outdoors was 8:39.56. Rowbury is only behind Slaney.

8:25.83 Mary Slaney 1 Roma 07.09.1985

8:29.69 Mary Slaney 1 Köln 25.08.1985

8:29.71 Mary Slaney 1 Oslo 07.07.1982

8:31.38 Shannon Rowbury 3 Monaco 22.07.2010 *******

8:32.91 Mary Slaney 1 London 20.07.1985

8:33.25 (i) Shalane Flanagan 2 Boston 27.01.2007

8:34.62 Mary Slaney 1 Helsinki 10.08.1983

8:34.69 Mary Slaney 2 Zürich 17.08.1988

8:34.91 Mary Slaney 1 Los Angeles 23.06.1984

8:34.99 Kara Goucher 3 Rieti 09.09.2007

8:35.02 Libbie Hickman 2 Gateshead 28.08.2000

8:35.03 Jennifer Rhines 2 Monaco 25.07.2007

8:35.34 Shalane Flanagan 4 Monaco 25.07.2007

8:36.51 Mary Slaney 1 Zürich 24.08.1983

8:36.77 Mary Slaney 1 Koblenz 31.08.1983

8:37.25 Vicki Huber 6 Seoul 25.09.1988

8:38.36 Mary Slaney 1 Indianapolis 19.06.1983

8:38.60 Cindy Bremser 2 Zürich 22.08.1984

8:38.73 Mary Slaney 1 Oslo 15.07.1980

8:39.14 (i) Regina Jacobs 3 Maebashi 07.03.1999

8:39.36 Marla Runyan 1 Eugene 26.05.2002

8:39.56 Regina Jacobs 1 Edwardsville 25.07.1998

8:39.86 Amy Rudolph 9 Zürich 11.08.2000