Steeplechase is basically suppose to be XC on the track, right? With the longer XC distances why is track SC only 3000 m? Why not have 8000 m, 10000 m or 12000 m SC on the track?
Steeplechase is basically suppose to be XC on the track, right? With the longer XC distances why is track SC only 3000 m? Why not have 8000 m, 10000 m or 12000 m SC on the track?
i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you've never run a 3k steeple race.
lolz wrote:
i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you've never run a 3k steeple race.
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lolz wrote:
i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you've never run a 3k steeple race.
Enlighten us, please.
well, unless you've run the race, it's hard to understand the physical toll the 35 jumps take on your body. the fatigue feels different than in any other kind of race. i can't imagine doing this for 10k.
The steeple is supposedly designed to simulate cross country races on the track, but if you think about it, there's no way you would be jumping anything close to 36 inches in a cross race. Seems to me someone had the bright idea to make the race significantly shorter than a 10k cross race and compensate by raising the height of the obstacle. If you wanted to do a 10000m steeple on the track, you would have to use way shorter barriers, more like the logs or hay bails sometimes found on cross country courses. At which point you might as well just run a cross race.
I'll answer the question if you promise to be the second leg on my javelin relay team.
lolz wrote:
well, unless you've run the race, it's hard to understand the physical toll the 35 jumps take on your body. the fatigue feels different than in any other kind of race. i can't imagine doing this for 10k.
Right, but you could say almost the exact same thing about the marathon relative to the 10k or half marathon.
"Well, unless you've run the race, it's hard to understand the physical toll it takes on your body. The fatigue feels different than in any other kind of race."
I don't think the OP was belittling the steeple and I think his/her question is a fair one. I'm sure 10k steeple would be hellishly harder than the 3k, but the marathon is hellishly harder than the 10k and people still do it. Have there ever been longer steeples?
David Essig wrote:
Right, but you could say almost the exact same thing about the marathon relative to the 10k or half marathon.
"Well, unless you've run the race, it's hard to understand the physical toll it takes on your body. The fatigue feels different than in any other kind of race."
I don't think the OP was belittling the steeple and I think his/her question is a fair one. I'm sure 10k steeple would be hellishly harder than the 3k, but the marathon is hellishly harder than the 10k and people still do it. Have there ever been longer steeples?
I'm going to go out on the same limb lolz is on, and say that you haven't run a steeple either.
Interesting fact: The WR pace for 3,000m SC is the same as WR pace for 10,000m.
10000m -- 26:17.53 -- 2:37.753/km
3000m SC -- 7:53.63 -- 2:37.877/km
Right, but when someone asks a question it's not exactly as clever as you seem to think to answer with, "I'm going to guess you don't know the answer." If you yourself knew the answer then I would guess you would give it. Since you haven't I'll guess you don't either.
Now the thing about the 10k and 3k steeple record paces being almost the same, that is interesting. So if that suggests that the 3k steeple is about as demanding as a 10k, why aren't there steele equivalents of the half marathon and marathon, say 8k steeple and 10k steeple like the OP asked? If a world-class steepler ran at just under 3 min/km pace don't you think they could go a lot further than 3k?
This actually does exist.
It's called hell.
David Essig wrote:
If a world-class steepler ran at just under 3 min/km pace don't you think they could go a lot further than 3k?
So if there's a race it seems that the pros can go longer than, we should make one even further? I don't think it works like that.
too many events bro.
David Essig wrote:Right, but when someone asks a question it's not exactly as clever as you seem to think to answer with, "I'm going to guess you don't know the answer." If you yourself knew the answer then I would guess you would give it. Since you haven't I'll guess you don't either.
He's not saying "You don't know the answer" he's saying by the question hints to the fact that the asker CANNOT understand the very nature of the event. Comparing a marathon to the steeple is like comparing getting a paper cut to being flayed alive.
I'm trying to imagine a guy jumping over a three immovable barrier after 5K, 6K, 7K........not to mention the water jump. OP, you're sadistic!
<3 irony wrote:
So if there's a race it seems that the pros can go longer than, we should make one even further? I don't think it works like that.
Sure it does. That's why there are events like 12 m XC, 10000 m, half marathon, marathon, 50 km, 50 miles, 100 km 100 miles, etc. etc.
When I first read the title of the thread, I thought it said 1,000m steeple. I think a 1K steeple would rock, that would be like roller derby! Maybe have a 4 x 1K steeple relay--that would bring in the fans.
I wouldn't care the marathon harder than a 5k/10k that is being raced all out. It is different. Heck the peak discomfort in a 800m is worse than the marathon. But that marathon discomfort lasts 90ms longer.A 10k steeple might get crazy. Count how many wipes outs there are per lap and now run 3x as many laps. Or to make it more fun get rid of the water jump and replace it with a mud pit.
David Essig wrote:
lolz wrote:well, unless you've run the race, it's hard to understand the physical toll the 35 jumps take on your body. the fatigue feels different than in any other kind of race. i can't imagine doing this for 10k.
Right, but you could say almost the exact same thing about the marathon relative to the 10k or half marathon.
"Well, unless you've run the race, it's hard to understand the physical toll it takes on your body. The fatigue feels different than in any other kind of race."
I don't think the OP was belittling the steeple and I think his/her question is a fair one. I'm sure 10k steeple would be hellishly harder than the 3k, but the marathon is hellishly harder than the 10k and people still do it. Have there ever been longer steeples?
Milo Minderbinder wrote:
He's not saying "You don't know the answer" he's saying by the question hints to the fact that the asker CANNOT understand the very nature of the event. Comparing a marathon to the steeple is like comparing getting a paper cut to being flayed alive.
That's even less of a valid argument. "If you have to ask the question then you CANNOT understand the answer." I take it, then, that you have extensive personal experience of elite-level steeplechase and marathoning. Please, make an effort to shed even a little light on the original question by using the valuable insight you have gained. Those of us who have not been as fortunate as yourself would be deeply grateful. As a particular request I would be obliged if you could try to offer some suggestion of the specific ways in which a 3k steeple is more demanding than a 10k. If the world record pace for the two is virtually the same it would suggest to me, someone who has not raced a steeplechase, that the two are equally demanding. The fact that people race longer distances than 10km at a slower pace therefore suggests to me, again someone without steeplechase experience, that people could do the same in that event. Why do you, as someone with extensive experience of both professional-level steeplechase running and marathon running, believe that such longer events are not held?