Do any elite men see the 1500 and mile WR's as attainable?

only Webb

The 1500 3:26 is pretty fast, don't see that being broken. but i think a 3:43 mile can be improved on by a second or two.

T.L. the stallion wrote:

The 1500 3:26 is pretty fast, don't see that being broken. but i think a 3:43 mile can be improved on by a second or two.

If you can run 3:42.low you can run 3:25.high.

the current crop won't ever break 3'28

kiprop has the 800 speed at 1'43.1 but not demonstrated the simultaneous over distance endurance at 3k to break 3'28

if he puts up a 7'30 this year, then he can threaten <3'28

the two mile record!

The what we need is another undetectable hematocrit booster.

Then we'll see some El G like times again.

Until then, they have to make do with microdosing, and it's not quite as effective as a one off boost.

If the man can get off injury, German Fernandez

A healthy webb could go after them. I think he could get very close to both, say 3:27 in the 1500m and 3:44-3:45 for the mile. If he gets his confidence back he will attempt the mile. I think this has been an actual goal of his all along. When he refernced the 1 second per year improvement after his AR mile I don't think he was joking or thought that 3:42 was actually out of reach. If anybody had the right combination of speed over strength it is Webb. Lagat might have done it in his younger years but no longer. Webb has until 2012-2013 to take his shots.

Since there appears to be general consensus that ElG was doping, is there also general consensus that Ngeny was doping?

If not, can he rightfully be considered to be the fastest clean middle distance runner ever?

augustine choge?

he'd also be stuck at 3'28

if he was in shape to simultaneously run his 800/5k pbs ( he never has been ), call them 1'44.5/12'53, then trying :

http://www.jundo.co.uk/

->3'28.3

even if he coud go 1'44.0/12'50 ->

3'27.4

you really can't dream of 3'26.0 until you have something like simultaneous

1'43/<12'50 ability

( you don't strictly have to have <12'50 ability, 3k ability of <7'21 woud be better indicator ( nearer to 1500 ))

if you want to do it off 1'44.0 ability you'd need to have either 3k or 5k or 10k ability of

7'16.3 !!! , 12'37.0 , 26'35.0

realistically, to run 3'26.0, you have to have ~ 1'43-flat ability as a pre-requisite, meaning asbel has better chance than gus of approaching it

'realistically, to run 3'26.0, you have to have ~ 1'43-flat ability as a pre-requisite'

So how did Lagat run 3:26 with a 1:46 800m?

ukathleticscoach wrote:

'realistically, to run 3'26.0, you have to have ~ 1'43-flat ability as a pre-requisite'

So how did Lagat run 3:26 with a 1:46 800m?

Very good point. Or indeed not be able to run under 2:16 for 1000m!

what was his 800m time in zurich or rome or monaco or berlin in '01 ???

what was his 1k time in zurich or rome or monaco or berlin in '01 ???

I don't know but it sure wasn't faster than 1:46

Hey Deano do you want to take over with this muppet?

The idea that Lagat maxed out at 1:46 is laughable. He split something like 1:47 (55-52) for the final 800 in Athens. Lagat was at least a 1:43 guy.

moron

then do the research

or

read the post below yours for some prescience...

ukathleticscoach wrote:

I don't know but it sure wasn't faster than 1:46

Hey Deano do you want to take over with this muppet?

Hi there!

We've had this discussion with him many times, but he's far too stubborn and blinkered to even listen to reason. You should know that in Ventolin's world, some athletes' pbs are that because that is all they could run. For others, he can knock 3, 4 or any number of seconds off their pb's to give unrealistic times that he backs up with abstract formulae.

Ventolin doesn't get the dichotomy of Lagat. Yes, he should be able to run 1:43 based on his 1500 pb, but he has never looked anything like getting near it, and it's got nothing to do with not bothering as the pace wasn't fast enough. I can't actually recall him winning any 800's . Even if he doesn't want to run 1:43, he should certainly have been more of a force when running 1:46's.

1:46 and 2:16 are pitiful pbs for someone who has run 3:26 and is hailed in some quarters as one of the all-time greats.