If you could put on the floor the best all-white basketball team ever, who would you choose? and how would they do Vs. the other teams?
my picks.
John Stockton
Larry Bird
Bill Walton
Pete Maravich
Dirk Nowitzki
others i would consider, Steve Nash, Jerry West, Bob Pettit...
Discuss..
idk about ever, but current:
Guards - Steve Nash, Kirk Hinrich, Luke Ridnour, JJ Redick
Forwards - Dirk Nowitzki, Danilo Gallinari, Troy Murphy, Ersan Ilyasova
Centers - David Lee and Chris Kaman
ginobili, cousy, bill laimbeer to keep it rough. steve kerr off the bench. chris mullin - underrated dream teamer.
Snakedoctor09 wrote:
idk about ever, but current:
Guards - Steve Nash, Kirk Hinrich, Luke Ridnour, JJ Redick
Forwards - Dirk Nowitzki, Danilo Gallinari, Troy Murphy, Ersan Ilyasova
Centers - David Lee and Chris Kaman
Add Pau Gasol and Steve Blake
Does Pau count? I thought since he is Spanish that he wouldn't count as Caucasian? If he does then hell yeah. And Steve Blake for sure.
if you dont have bogut on the current list, you're an idiot
15 man roster would have Bogut. But the dude gets injured a lot. I just picked the top scoring white guys from last year btw.
Jerry West should be picked over Pete Maravich, no contest.
Jerry West should be at the top of the list.
the problem with Jerry West is the era he played in, not nearly as athletic or competitive as it was when Stockton or Nash were playing. And I don't count Pau or Ginobili...I also predict Adam Morrison will be on this list in a few years...In regards to Steve Kerr, no way, he was only considered good because of the people he played with, Bull/Spurs.
I have this debate often with friends. Who do you consider the best current caucasian American NBA player?
whitemancanjump wrote:
the problem with Jerry West is the era he played in, not nearly as athletic or competitive as it was when Stockton or Nash were playing. And I don't count Pau or Ginobili...I also predict Adam Morrison will be on this list in a few years...In regards to Steve Kerr, no way, he was only considered good because of the people he played with, Bull/Spurs.
Why don't you count Pau or Manu? I can't wait to hear the faulty logic behind this.
You may be able to get away with not counting Manu, since he's Latin American, not European, but I would think Pau counts. Unless you think he's Moorish.
Both the current and all-time teams are defensively challenged. Might I suggest the inclusion of Heinrich on the current team?
Sorry, missed Hinrich the first read. ^^
So once we add Pau, Steve, and Bogut to the original 12 I listed we have a whole team. Problem is, despite the great front line, and great yet undersized guard play, there isn't a a talented enough guy on the wing. Hinrich and Redick at the 2 are a solid rotation, but at the 3 would be Danilo and Ersan, which is horrible. I don't think this team could win the championship being so weak on the wing.
Current Team:
G: Nash, Blake, Hinrich, Manu, Mike Miller
F: Pau, Dirk, Darius Songaila, Birdman (maybe Troy Murphy over Songaila)
C: Bogut, David Lee, Chris Kaman
Mike Miller would deff be the guy on the wing to score. I'd say Murphy over Songaila. Birdman would be a huge defensive and rebounding boost.
whitemancanjump wrote:
the problem with Jerry West is the era he played in, not nearly as athletic or competitive as it was when Stockton or Nash were playing. And I don't count Pau or Ginobili...I also predict Adam Morrison will be on this list in a few years...In regards to Steve Kerr, no way, he was only considered good because of the people he played with, Bull/Spurs.
The best ten basketball players of the NBA in the 50s and 60s would be every bit as good in today's NBA as they were back then, perhaps better because they were very schooled in the craftier elements of the game.
Jerry West, in his prime, would be an elite SG in today's game. I think that of today's NBA SGs, Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade are better, but that's about it.
The great athletes are genetic and competitive freaks, outliers from even those comprising the top 200 of their era. The fact that players 101-200 now are much more athletic than players 101-200 in the 50s and 60s is immaterial to how good the outliers at the very top were.
With regard to centers, Shaquille O'Neal never had the challenge of dealing with greats like Russell, Chamberlain, and Jabbar in their prime. Shaq was very fortunate not to have been born 20 years earlier. Most of his "greatness," comes from lack of top competition at his position. Of course, if Shaq had played against guys like Russell, Chamberlain and Jabbar, he would have been in better shape and would have learned to shoot more than three feet away from the basket. He would have had to, as his game, at its best, would have been ineffective on offense or defense.
First I'd hold a training camp and invite the following (assuming all players in their prime playing shape), then let them duke it out for spots on the 12- or 15-man roster:
G: Jerry West, Steve Nash, Bob Cousey, John Stockton, Pete Maravich, Drazen Petrovic, Bill Sharman, John Havlicek, Gail Goodrich, Brent Barry, Mark Price, Predrag Stojakovic, Manu Ginobili, Hidayet Turkoglu
F: Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Dirk Nowitzki, Tom Chambers, Pau Gasol, Chris Mullin, Bill Bradley, Jerry Lucas, Toni Kukoc, Dolph Schayes, Dave Debusschere, Rick Barry, Detlef Schrempf, Andrei Kirilenko
C: George Mikan, Jack Sikma, Arvydas Sabonis, Dave Cowens, Dan Issel, Bill Walton, Mark Eaton, Rik Smits, Vlade Divac, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, David Lee, Bill Laimbeer, Alvin Adams
I think the best team might be:
G: West, Nash, Stockton, Maravich, Price
F: Bird, McHale, Lucas, Barry, Nowitzki, Mullin, Bradley, Barry
C: Sabonis, Walton
Eugene the Careful Axe Weilder wrote:
First I'd hold a training camp and invite the following (assuming all players in their prime playing shape), then let them duke it out for spots on the 12- or 15-man roster:
G: Jerry West, Steve Nash, Bob Cousey, John Stockton, Pete Maravich, Drazen Petrovic, Bill Sharman, John Havlicek, Gail Goodrich, Brent Barry, Mark Price, Predrag Stojakovic, Manu Ginobili, Hidayet Turkoglu
F: Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Dirk Nowitzki, Tom Chambers, Pau Gasol, Chris Mullin, Bill Bradley, Jerry Lucas, Toni Kukoc, Dolph Schayes, Dave Debusschere, Rick Barry, Detlef Schrempf, Andrei Kirilenko
C: George Mikan, Jack Sikma, Arvydas Sabonis, Dave Cowens, Dan Issel, Bill Walton, Mark Eaton, Rik Smits, Vlade Divac, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, David Lee, Bill Laimbeer, Alvin Adams
I think the best team might be:
G: West, Nash, Stockton, Maravich, Price
F: Bird, McHale, Lucas, Barry, Nowitzki, Mullin, Bradley, Barry
C: Sabonis, Walton
Not even an invite to Gugliotta?