Ethyl Glucoronide testing: done it? Beat it?

Yeah. I didn't drink.

When you probably committed multiple DUIs (abusing the privilege of operating a multi-ton machine going 70+ mph) and just got lucky enough to be here instead of rotting in the ground (or having put someone else in the ground) to get in this situation in the first place, it's all our business.

JA wrote:

Hey Dent - do me a favor and stay out of my business. If you or anyone else has something relevant regarding the test, I'm all ears. Otherwise you should learn when you don't have anything to say.

Hey jerk-wad, you come here posting this and then tell someone to stay out of your business? I suggest that the 2 are mutually exclusive.

Don't drink. Get professional counseling.

Glad to see you are all more interested in the sordid details rather than the science behind the test. DARE & MADD have ramrodded their way into your consciousness, so much so that you can't foresee a situation where someone has to submit to the testing because of disclosures made to a professional licensing committee, not as a criminal penalty. I made the disclosures in the midst of very trying period in my life, and now, after almost a year of complete sobriety (and professional counseling, which ended up being a lot like the dirty-laundry mongering of the above posts), I would like to enjoy a beer. I can't do that because of the testing, and I just wanted to see if anyone with real insight into the way the test is conducted can supply me with hard data. Instead I got a load of sanctimonious b.s. I used to see many intelligent and free-thinking posts on this board, but I see I am living in the past.

Try Clausthaler beer - non-alcoholic - the best NA beer available - instead of removing the alcohol post fermentation, they use a patented secret method to prevent the alcohol from forming. Tastes like a real beer - and I should know.

If its the buzz you're really after, I can't help you out.

Mother Cabrini wrote:

Try Clausthaler beer - non-alcoholic - the best NA beer available - instead of removing the alcohol post fermentation, they use a patented secret method to prevent the alcohol from forming. Tastes like a real beer - and I should know.

If its the buzz you're really after, I can't help you out.

If it's patented, it's not secret.

If you need a beer this bad... you still have some issues. I would just stay away until you're truly aloud to drink. Probably the best thing for ya

I was interested and googled your problem. The former gives some contradictory advice, while the latter is very specific about how the etg test cannot indicate for sure that you have drunk alcohol, because of all the alcohol in many different products, such as hand sanitizer (breathing the vapors while using the sanitizer: think of how many doctors and nurses, for whom the test was developed, use this many times a day) and mouthwash. They can put in the contract that you have to avoid these products, but they aren't avoidable in toto.

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_there_any_known_way_to_pass_an_ETG_alcohol_test_when_you_have_been_drinkinghttp://etg.weebly.com/

I was interested and googled your problem. The former gives some contradictory advice, while the latter is very specific about how the etg test cannot indicate for sure that you have drunk alcohol, because of all the alcohol in many different products, such as hand sanitizer (breathing the vapors while using the sanitizer: think of how many doctors and nurses, for whom the test was developed, use this many times a day) and mouthwash. They can put in the contract that you have to avoid these products, but they aren't avoidable in toto.

Using GCMS they can now tell the difference between small exposures (hand sanitizer) and larger ones, like drinking.

I read that abstract and didn't see any specific way of differentiating, since it doesn't mention a new test, while the other pages indicated that etg readings may differ by large factors for different people with equal consumption and time, while much higher etg readings can appear from mouthwash, etc., in addition to the hand sanitizer (which produced higher readings from inhalation in the other studies mentioned, not from absorption in the skin, contra this abstract). The makers of the test specifically said that it should not be used for legal purposes, because it does not constitute proof of drinking. Instead, polygraphs and so forth, including falsely certain statements ("we know that you have been drinking and it is best that you admit it so that we can help you," etc.), should be used to get confessions, according to that website.

So, were you brought before this committee because of an allegation of drinking while performing your work?

Thanks for the insight, as these articles illustrate that the science behind the test is not totally without gray areas. My questions still remain practical, however, since I am still contractually bound to submit to the tests, and they include: what is the outer time limit when i can be assured that 1 drink would not show up - 8 hours? 39 hours? 80 hours (as I have been told in the literature)? Is there anything that speeds up the degradation of the etg metabolite? Does the etg metabolite bind to anything within the body (e.g. fat molecules) - like the THC molecule? I am tested simultaneously for creatinine levels, so mass hydration is not possible, at least not the day of the test.

Dear JA,

Perhaps you'll be interested to know that just today I BEAT the ETG test. I takes at least 24 hrs before the test to prep, and is a bit disgusting to follow through with. The test I'm referring to is used at pain clinics, where you pee into a small plastic cup with the built-in test strip, and screw on the lid.

The test's beatability depends on the threshold the lab is using (too low and people start testing positive for mouthwash, so you aren't beating the most stringent tests) hydration (people will over-hydrate to dilute their pee, but they also test for deliberate dilution so that's of limited effectiveness), alcohol consumed (you're much more likely to get away with 1 beer than 12), and genetics (some people clear EtG much faster than others). The window I found when I researched this was from 12 to 40 hours depending on threshold. The 80 hr. claim is based on tests on detoxing alcoholics, which is of course a joke.

I've been taking these text twice a month drinking the day before and popping pills two days before so far I haven't heard from the courts saying my drops was dirty.I just drink a lot of water and cranberry juice the night before and all before I go take the test