Ridiculous Vibram Article

precious. link?[quote]Not a Minamalist wrote:

Our paper is one you have to subscribe to and pay for online access. I just get the paper version, sorry.

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Science of Sport: http://www.sportsscientists.com/2010/05/barefoot-running-and-injuries.html

we were born with leather under our feet, so that is the way?..not

we are one with the earth, feel for once the earth under your feet, take off your shoes and run in the grass....but not more than 3 or 4 minutes there is a adapation priod(many months). this is natures way, when you see kenyans on TV and you see their nice Nike shoes remember they did not start that way? 90% of them in their early years did not wear shoes. Ever wonder how they developed the effortless stride?

RuKiddingMe! wrote:

we were born with leather under our feet, so that is the way?..not

we are one with the earth, feel for once the earth under your feet, take off your shoes and run in the grass....but not more than 3 or 4 minutes there is a adapation priod(many months). this is natures way, when you see kenyans on TV and you see their nice Nike shoes remember they did not start that way? 90% of them in their early years did not wear shoes. Ever wonder how they developed the effortless stride?

And 99% of them never become elite runners.

RuKiddingMe! wrote:

we were born with leather under our feet, so that is the way?..not

we are one with the earth, feel for once the earth under your feet, take off your shoes and run in the grass....but not more than 3 or 4 minutes there is a adapation priod(many months). this is natures way, when you see kenyans on TV and you see their nice Nike shoes remember they did not start that way? 90% of them in their early years did not wear shoes. Ever wonder how they developed the effortless stride?

Yeah, and were also "born," without hard wood floors, cement sidewalks, and asphalt roads.

So unless you grew up in a village with a dirt floor hut, dirt "roads" and paths, no shoes, and have been running barefoot since you were coordinated to chase your siblings or cousins... Running without shoes is most likely gonna get you injured.

Our local USATF czar / course certification guy took up the minimalist approach to running and was even doing some barefoot running. He is going to have surgery on June 1. I hope his surgery goes well and I hope he gets a pair of cushioned trainers in a few months when he is able to start running again.

yeayh6 wrote:

http://running.competitor.com/2010/05/features/the-barefoot-running-injury-epidemic_10118

article sponsored by shoe company, so sad no study confirm such revelations :(

just beginning, "Fogt says he has four or five current patients with heel injuries clearly resulting from a switch to barefoot running"

while running barefoot, heel never touch the ground, or just barely touch it. Of course there are clowns around who try to execute heel strike while running barefoot, but I have problems calling it "running".

tomtom wrote:

article sponsored by shoe company, so sad no study confirm such revelations :(

You need to make yourself clear - are you referring to the Harvard study that was supported by Vibram? Or perhaps Fogt (Evolution Physical Therapy) sponsored by a shoe company or what?

Which part of "no study" you don't get?

Here we go again, "if a shoe company has an ad in the publication, then the article can't be trusted". What running publication doesn't have a running shoe ad? Last I checked, Vibram was a shoe company.

While running barefoot PROPERLY the heel barely touches the ground. But that's a lot to ask of most runners, especially the average overweight "wogger" types. Most people don't have the calf/Achilles conditioning to run their full workout on the ball of their foot. So guess what's going to happen? They're going to heel strike more than they should.

Barefoot running can improve running technique just like punching a heavy bag without hand wraps can improve your punching form. But the problem is people advocating barefoot running as the only way to go and the use of shoes will cause injury and give you bad form.

As usual, the "truth" lies somewhere in the middle. From a logical standpoint, the safest way to go appears to be to work on your form barefoot running (like how a sprinter would work with form drills 50 meters at a time), then use this form with some lower heel pitch running shoes or racing flats.

tomtom wrote:

"Fogt says he has four or five current patients with heel injuries clearly resulting from a switch to barefoot running"

Wow he had 0 patients a year ago and now he has four or five patients.

NOTICE: ALL DOCTORS LIE TO TRY AND DECEIVE YOU

My feet land flat when running barefoot, not with all the weight on the heels or the toes, but distributed throughout the base of my feet.

My feet land flat when running barefoot, not with all the weight on the heels or the toes, but distributed throughout the base of my feet.

then expect some kind of injury.

see?

Here is my opinion take it as you want. Do I think that if you slowly adapt to this and be smart about it that it can help you, sure. However do I think it is ridiculous that people who are slow as molasses and train 20 miles a week think this is the solution to running faster, absolutely. For 99.9% of people training more and traning faster is much more important than the type of shoe, or shorts, or food, or whatnot that so much time is spent on.

I agree completely wear what you want hell wear cinder blocks but run more in them and you will race faster.

Not a Minamalist wrote:

Here is my opinion take it as you want. Do I think that if you slowly adapt to this and be smart about it that it can help you, sure. However do I think it is ridiculous that people who are slow as molasses and train 20 miles a week think this is the solution to running faster, absolutely. For 99.9% of people training more and traning faster is much more important than the type of shoe, or shorts, or food, or whatnot that so much time is spent on.

For me, minimalism (NOT barefoot running) was actually the only way to train. In "normal" shoes I was unable to train properly due to injuries.

Not to mention speed increase...

Anyway, I agree with your point about people "training" 2 hours / week.

I really really liked vibrams... then my foot broke.