Choge over Asbel in 3'32.20

Do you think he was being too laid back at the bell letting 4 guys go past him, or is he tactically naive?

He adopted similar tactics in the Worlds last year, when he should have won!

I've no doubt Kiprop is capable of going sub 3:30 this season. Shame the rabbit today was quite poor.

i'm increasing of belief that either he is an idiot or lacks concentration

it may be he has some sort of attention deficit disorder & finds 3 1/2 minutes of running a big mental strain

it may be that he's better suited to 800 where the concentration isn't for that long, but he's not going to beat rudy, let alone go <<1'43 unless he puts on about 5 - 10 pounds of leg muscle

he is in a bit of a nowhere land as to what distance he shoud run

can you dig out his peking splits, as i think they flatten out to a quicker time than here ( he looked far better then ) - i'm not sure he's improved over 1500 in near 2y...

Of course. They were: -

56.5(56.48)

1:56.1 (1:56.08)

2:54.1

3:33.11

So his 400 splits were: - 56.5, 59.6, 58.0, 39.0 (53.1 last 400m)

Last 800m - 1:52.0

" 700m - 1:37.0

" 400m - 53.1

" 300m - 39.0

" 200m - 26.2

" 100m - 13.1

I've got the 100m splits but thought these would be useful to start with.

Hope this helps.

his "total energy" in 3'33.1 =

1500*(1500/213.1)^3 = 523136u

using all the splits listed :

56.5/44.6/15.0/43.9/14.1/12.8/13.1/13.1

composite "total energy" =

400*(400/56.5)^3 = 141937u

300*(300/44.6)^3 = 91303u

100*(100/15.0)^3 = 29630u

300*(300/43.9)^3 = 95740u

100*(100/14.1)^3 = 35674u

100*(100/12.8)^3 = 47684u

100*(100/13.1)^3 = 44483u

100*(100/13.1)^3 = 44483u

sum = 530934u

his "even-pace" time = 213.1 * (523136/530934) =

3'29.97

surprisingly, he appears a little better now than in peking, where it seems he was in 3'30-flat shape ( although using all 15 splits of 100 will offer more variablity & may get him nearer 3'29-flat )

Remember that, in peking, he was peaking.

my order for last 40y has been :

1 ton soup

portion each of honey & barbecue ribs

singapore fried noodles

egg-fried rice

stir-fried pork with ginger & spring onion

char-sui pork

peking duck

& just 1 can of diet coke...

An idiot....lacks concentration and loses by just 0.02? By all means Mr. whoever you are, Kiprop is only 20 yrs old and has accomplished what alot of people have not in their whole career. He therefore deserve your respect as well as everyone's. How many runners are Olympic champions by their 19th birthday? I know we would want him to win every race because we think he is the most talented. But I think it is also important for him to be human and struggle like everyone else in order to improve. If he won all races, skeptics would say he is using drugs. You just simply can't please a human being. As for him putting on some weight, I think that is an absurd observation. Asbel is not anorexic. His is just natural weight. He may not beat Rudisha but he will run <1:43 get it from me. Except for indoors and at at altitude(only this year) , Asbel has run sub 1:45s for 800m. So give credit where credit is due.

why ?

peter rono won same gold in '88

he gets shit respect - & deservedly

someone will win this race every 4y

it's how you embellish it with further accomplishments if you didn't win it fabulously

his 1'43.1 last year was admittedly good in a losing effort

err...

no

bolt hasn't exactly struggled since peking, so no problem if asbel was churning out regular 3'28s

only idiots around here

easily pleased

3'28 woud do it

drivel

he needs some leg muscle in order to turn 53s laps in 3'33 races to 52s in 3'32 - i'll work out the exact implications for you later

if his bmi is sub-20, he is

bullshit

he's trained like a hungry dog, but obviously no weights or proper nutrition

cash only

no checks

he's actually gone 1'43 already...

a query is if asbel had some decent leg muscle he might have enough drive to turn a 53 in a 3'33 into a 52 in 3'32 races

there is huge implication in what seems nominal increase in last lap ( 1s - 53 to 52s ) for an overall quicker time ( 1s - 3'33 to 3'32 )

there is physics to quantify it :

1500 run at even pace of 3'33 ->

1500*(1500/213)^3 = 523873u

3'33 with a 53 ->

2'40/53 -> composite of

1100*(1100/160)^3 = 357446u +

400*(400/53)^3 = 171954u

= 529400u

-> even paced 1500 of 3'33 with a 53 of

213*(523873/529400) =

3'30.78

now, consider comparator of 3'32 run with a 52

cursory glance indicates he's just over 1s better ( same time at bell, but "just" 1s better at tape )

however :

1500 run at even pace of 3'32 ->

1500*(1500/212)^3 = 531321u

3'32 with a 52 ->

2'40/52 -> composite of

1100*(1100/160)^3 = 357446u +

400*(400/52)^3 = 182067u

= 539513u

-> even paced 1500 of 3'33 with a 53 of

212*(531321/539513) =

3'28.78

the implication is that he woud be potentially an overall 2s better runner...

If you passed reading comprehension you wouldn't need a background in physics to understand what his post entailed.

what physics principle is involved in that set of coincidental formulae?

some string theory.

I do think there is something in this formula. I'd say it's pretty accurate in assessing potential times for athletes unfortunate enough to get lousy pacing.

Whether or not you can start slicing and dicing a race into component parts of 100m and looking at composite blocks of time, I'm not so sure.

I think Ventolin could explain it a little better, but he's basically saying if a guy can run 3:32 going through the bell in 2:40.0 and running a last lap of 52.0, it would imply that he has a lot left, and had he been given even splits of around 55.7 laps, he should be able to run just under 3:29.0.

That seems reasonable to me.

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

what physics principle is involved in that set of coincidental formulae?

I see no significant problem with his methods. Certainly, not one that justifies all of the name-calling and personal attacks.

Seems that he is using the principles of efficiency and optimization. It may not be 'textbook', but that doesnt make it invalid. Sounds physics to me. And I have a degree in physics.

I'm with Komen and Kiprop on this. You fart around with the ideal splits and accuse Kiprop of being an idiot for running an excellent 3:32 in the early season. Guess what? In a real race there are other guys out there trying to beat you, getting in the way, throwing elbows. Kiprop has been pretty consistently dangerous and has a Olympic gold... and you act like calling him an idiot is somehow revealing.

Take a step back. Think.

Asbel Kiprop has been having a confidence crisis since the world championships but i reckon he is now back to his old self.The track event in Australia was the lowest point in his career.He is now on his way up.Bear in mind Augustine Choge always peaks in early season and fades towards the end of the season.

Asbel Kiprop = J.A.K = Just another Kenyan.

Lucky that his peak year came in the Olympic year when arguably the weakest 1500m final of the last 30 years took place.

What is the difference between him and Alex Kipchirchir or William Chirchir, or Daniel (Kip) Komen other than what I just mentioned about him hitting a royal flush with that crappy Olympic 1500m final?

Nothing. No difference at all.

Just another simple Kenyan who will probably run his token 3.30.XX and then disappear into the wild when the next one comes along.