One of the girls I coach who is a real work horse and runs a lot of mileage told me recently she ran 65 min for a 10 mile harder tempo run the other day. Her 3200 PR is 12 min, but it is obvious from her mile that she is more fit for the longer distances. Is a 65 min 10 mile reasonable with this PR? It does seem a bit fast, but then again she is an aerobic monster.
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I would normally say no with a PB of 12:00 for the 3200, but perhaps she was coasting in the 3200.
Pr of 12 min for 3200 meters. 10 mile race in 65 min. nope. if she did then her 3200 meter Pr is going down. simple as that. Or she could have measure 10 mile incorrectly. Did she use a garmin? mapmyrun? when ppl say 10 mile run it doesnt necessary mean that is 10, it could be 9.6 or something.
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One of the girls I coach who is a real work horse and runs a lot of mileage told me recently she ran 65 min for a 10 mile harder tempo run the other day. Her 3200 PR is 12 min, but it is obvious from her mile that she is more fit for the longer distances. Is a 65 min 10 mile reasonable with this PR? It does seem a bit fast, but then again she is an aerobic monster.
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Answer: No
I disagree with the others. I say it is slightly improbable, but definitely not impossible. Time predictors would suggest that she should be more in the 67-68 minute range (I plugged in 11:15 for 3K using the site below).
http://www.runningforfitness.org/faq/rp.php
I've seen in some runners, particularly females, that seem not to have much dynamic range in their distance running pace. In otherwords, if she can run 65 minutes for 10 miles, she is capable of running faster in the 3200m and needs to work on her speed to get her 3200m time down to 11:45 or better.
I ran 11:15 for 2 miles and 62 for 10. Both all-out efforts.
Not to mention, she's not claiming she ran an all-out 10M in 65 minutes, she's claiming she ran it as a TEMPO, which has got to be at least 15 s/mile slower than race pace (unless she raced her tempo).
'I disagree with the others. I say it is slightly improbable, but definitely not impossible. Time predictors would suggest that she should be more in the 67-68 minute range (I plugged in 11:15 for 3K using the site below).'
That's in a race not training. She wouldn't run that in a race either - if you don't agree enter her into a 10 mile race
How long has she been running? When did she run the 12 minute 3200 time? Both of these factors should be taken into account. It's definitely possible to see that kind of improvement for a new runner.
In my first year running (15 yo), I ran a 59:42 15k off a 5k PR of 18:40.
pablo wrote:
How long has she been running? When did she run the 12 minute 3200 time? Both of these factors should be taken into account. It's definitely possible to see that kind of improvement for a new runner.
In my first year running (15 yo), I ran a 59:42 15k off a 5k PR of 18:40.
whoops, I meant 19:40 5k PR.
It is possible, but doubtful.
I knew girls in high school who were almost breaking 11 for 3200 but couldn't run a 65min 10miler. They were obviously not very aerobically developed, but the point is 65 min is fast for any non-elite high school girl, let alone a 12min twomiler.
I know of a girl who has never run under 11:00 for 3000m in spite of competing collegiately for years but has run 3:03 for the marathon on a hilly course at altitude. She's also run 38 or 39 min for 10k on the road. Her stride isn't pretty but she seems to be able to gut it out over long distances.
It is possible to run a 65 minute 10 mile.
It is possible to have a 12 minute 3200 PR.
Therefore, it is possible to run a 65 minute 10 mile with a 12 minute 3200 PR.
I don't think it is that hard to fathom that someone who can run 6:02 pace for 2 miles can run 6:30 pace for 10. Sounds about right for someone who (1) puts in big miles and (2)is better suited to the longer distances. The more important question is, why was she racing a 10 miler in practice?
I know she does a lot of mileage and is going to be running 5ks/10ks in college next year. I plugged the time into a calculator which gave the equivalent 10 mile pace as around 66:20 or so. Like I said, she is an aerobic monster so I think it could be possible she could do 65... which would be a very quick time.
I first snuck under 65 for 10M in '06, and had recently raced a 4M in 25:46. That's probably a little worse than a 12:00 3200 but in the ballpark.
In my case the sub-65 represented a real breakthrough. And it was on a very fast road course, Broad St in Philly (slight net downhill), where my 4M was in somewhat hilly Central Park. And I was a 38 year old adult-onset runner with little speed, which also favored my longer races vs. shorter.
It's hard to imagine your high school kid having the same relative performances when her shorter race was presumably the faster surface (track) *and* the 10M was just a tempo. I wonder how precise are the time and distance?
ukathleticscoach wrote:
That's in a race not training. She wouldn't run that in a race either - if you don't agree enter her into a 10 mile race
A lot of inexperienced runners don't know the difference between tempo and race pace. They don't have much range in their distance running pace, so their tempo and race paces are not that different. If they've never worked on speed before, it'll be like that, and especially their 3200m time won't be as good as it should be.
'A lot of inexperienced runners don't know the difference between tempo and race pace'
A lot of inexperienced runners are not profesional course measurers and the 10 miles is not going to be any where near accurate
She is also a junior training for short distance racers so no way is she going to be doing 10 miles in 65 mins. Like I said if she's that good on endurance drop the 3,200m (the most stupid distance known to man(or woman)) and get here in a 10mile road race or 1/2 m
ukathleticscoach wrote:
She is also a junior training for short distance racers
So you know details of how her training goes? I wasn't privy to that information from the thread. Maybe she doesn't keep up in the interval workouts, but smokes when they do their distance runs. I agree that it's more likely that the 10 mile course she ran was short, but that's not what the OP asked. He just asked if it was possible, and I gave a possible scenario in which I thought it was possible. Now, if the OP comes back and tells us she does great in the 400m/800m reps that they do, then I'll say it's not possible, but otherwise, I stick by my answer. Cheers.