Anybody know it? has he ever gotten it tested? I bet it is super high.
Anybody know it? has he ever gotten it tested? I bet it is super high.
12?.....maybe 13?
distance fan wrote:
Anybody know it? has he ever gotten it tested? I bet it is super high.
I'll bet it's not. High body weight.
malmo wrote:
distance fan wrote:Anybody know it? has he ever gotten it tested? I bet it is super high.
I'll bet it's not. High body weight.
You may have to explain that one to the masses Malmo, most don't quite get the "/kg" part of the equation...
Alan
The more important measures than just VO2 max, though, are the velocity he is traveling at VO2max, and the percentage of that which he can maintain before lactate accumulation rises exponentially and/or the percentage he can maintain for a given period of time.
I used to run with a guy in grad school who was a cyclist and was getting into triathlons. I was part of the team that measured his VO2max on a treadmill at right around 77 mg/kg/min. That's really high. He was on the team that measured mine at the time at 74. He also had a good bit higher ventilatory threshold, which is kind of a crude estimation of lactate threshold. These should indicate that he can maintain a higher percentage of his VO2max for a given period of time, such as during a race.
The problem with all these numbers: I outran him at every distance we raced, which was up to a 12k. He probably couuld have taken me at a marathon simply because his endurance was very good, but my velocity at VO2 max was much faster than his was.
Well, his VDOT is 82.49.
malmo wrote:
I'll bet it's not. High body weight.
But some husky runners have extremely high VO2 scores. For example, the Alaskan Husky has a VO2 of 240.
VO2 max is measured in mg O2 uptake/kg bodyweight. So while he probably has a huge oxygen uptake because in the words of the IAAF he has a "huge barrel chest" (i.e. huge lungs and heart), that number is divided by his large body weight. Simply put, he needs to take in more oxygen because he has more mass of muscles to feed.
malmo wrote:
I'll bet it's not. High body weight.
Runningart2004 wrote:
You may have to explain that one to the masses Malmo, most don't quite get the "/kg" part of the equation...
Alan
Bjorn Daehlie is about 6' and competed at around 170 lbs. He had kind of a high VO2max.
From "Solinsky ran fast" it doesn't necessarily follow that he has an extraordinary VO2max, but his size doesn't necessarily contradict the possibility. Running with the Nike group, I've got to believe that he's been measured, but they may choose not to share those measurements.
His VO2 Max/kG cannot be too high since the denominator is so large (at this level); the VO2 part, of course, is probably the largest of any sub-27 guy (or reasons made nicely evident in one of malmo's other posts/threads).
For the marathon and even shorter distances, two important factors are: 1) how long you can maintain close to the max; and 2) how efficient you are so that you use less O2 at a given speed and thus need less VO2max/kg to get the job done. In the 'old days' Frank Shorter was the typical example of given to illustrate these points.
Plenty of heavy guys and gals with high numbers Malmo and Alan.
You can bet that his number is "high enough".
distance fan wrote:
Anybody know it? has he ever gotten it tested? I bet it is super high.
Who cares? I know a guy who has a VO2max 87 and he´s a 29.08 10k guy.
And I was 5'5', 140-45lbs and measured 79.4 on a treadmill with a relatively high ventilatory threshold of I believe 75?, 85%? Can't really remember.
Alan
malmo wrote:
distance fan wrote:Anybody know it? has he ever gotten it tested? I bet it is super high.
I'll bet it's not. High body weight.
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Are you in a betting mood malmo? If so, how much? $50? $100?
wellnow wrote:
Are you in a betting mood malmo? If so, how much? $50? $100?
So confident? I'd bet he's closer to Clayton than to Lemond.
92.5 Greg LeMond, professional cyclist
92.0 Matt Carpenter, Pikes Peak marathon course record holder
91.0 Harri Kirvesniem, Finnish cross country skier
90.0 Bjørn Dæhlie, Norwegian cross country skier
88.0 Miguel Indurain, professional cyclist
87.4 Marius Bakken, Norwegian 5k record holder
85.0 Dave Bedford, 10k world record
85.0 John Ngugi World XC Champion
84.4 Steve Prefontaine,US runner
84.3 "Physiologist in training," 15:12/30:55 runner
84.0 Lance Armstrong, professional cyclist
82.7 Gary Tuttle, US runner
82.0 Kip Keino, Olympic 1500 champion
81.1 Craig Virgin, twice World cross country champ
81.0 Jim Ryun, US miler WR holder
80.1 Steve Scott, US miler 3:47
79.4 "Runningart2004," 15:43 5k runner
78.6 Joan Benoit, 1984 Olympic Marathon Champion
78.5 Bill Rodgers, 2:09:27 marathoner
77.4 Don Kardong, 2:11:15 marathoner
77.0 Sebastian Coe. WR mile, 1500
76.6 John Landy, WR miler
76.0 Alberto Salazar, 2:08:51 marathoner
74.3 Amby Burfoot, US marathoner
74.4 Johnny Halberstadt, 2:11:44 marathoner
74.2 Kenny Moore, US marathoner 2:11:36
73.5 Grete Waitz, Norwegian Marathon runner
73.3 Bruce Fordyce ultramarathoner
73.0 Jeff Galloway, US snake oil salesman
73.0 Buddy Edelen, 2:14:28 world record marathoner (1963)
72.8 Jarmila Krotochvilova,Czech Olympian 400M/800M winner
72.3 Peter Snell, Olympic champion
72.0 Zithulele Sinqe, 2:08:05 marathoner
71.3 Frank Shorter, US Olympic Marathon winner
71.2 Ingrid Kristiansen, ex-Marathon World Record Holder
71.0 Paula Ivan, Russian Olympic 1500M Record Holder
70.3 Willie Mtolo, 2:08:15 marathoner
69.7 Derek Clayton, Australian ex-Marathon World Record holder 2:08:35
67.2 Rosa Mota, Marathon runner
The Lemond figure is too high by about 10 l/kg/min. I think a lot of purported VO2 max numbers are bogus.
Solisnky is stocky. It's the wiry guys who have the low VO2 max.
I would guess that Solinsky is around 80 or so.
wellnow wrote:
Solisnky is stocky. It's the wiry guys who have the low VO2 max.
That would be wrong.
100 bucks?
anyways ml/kg/min I shoulda wrote.
wellnow wrote:
100 bucks?
anyways ml/kg/min I shoulda wrote.
If you can't accept published data, then you wouldn't accept any other data would you?
VO2max is overemphasized:
http://www.scienceofrunning.com/2009/12/fallacy-of-vo2max-and-vo2max.html