So the college 1500 record is 3:35... this converts to 3:53 for the mile, equal to the HS mile record. What's the college mile record, and why is it that no one can seem to beat Alan Webb as a high schooler?
So the college 1500 record is 3:35... this converts to 3:53 for the mile, equal to the HS mile record. What's the college mile record, and why is it that no one can seem to beat Alan Webb as a high schooler?
3:35 1500m = 3:50.6 full mile
still close tho, definitely not a huge gap between the high school and college. alan webb in high school was really rare tho. wheating just came within a few seconds of the college record last week. no one has come close to the mile and i dont know if they will anytime soon.
except that bernard lagat has the REAL NCAA record for 1500, which is 3:30.56, it is often not counted as the record as it was after the NCAA season in an international race, jim ryun ran a 3:33.1 as a 19 year old sophomore at the university of kansas for the fastest NCAA time by an american, but it was also in a international meet.
alan webb ran his 3:53 mile AFTER his high school season was over in the PRE classic which is also a international race.
jim ryun is still the only high schooler to run a sub 4 minute mile in a high school meet, his time was 3:58 and i am pretty sure it was on a dirt track.
how did you convert those times? I used the purdy scale for that conversion:
http://run-down.com/statistics/calc.php
which converts the 3:26.00 WR to 3:43.21 mile, so I figured it was pretty accurate...
yeah, no one is near webb in high school and he kinda tanked in college, i guess he is just a major outlier... i'm just surprised that college record still stands i guess
Big Green Book puts 3:26.0 = 3:42.5
4:25_9:45_15:39 wrote:
3:35 1500m = 3:50.6 full mile
"full" mile?!
Enough w/ the "full" mile BS
"Mile". 1600 1609.344
There is no, "full mile". Its a high school myth.
BGB says
3:53.0 mile=3:35.7
3:30.6=3:47.5 mile
3:42..2 = 4:00.0 mile
i used
http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/4/4_1/96.shtml
i say "full mile" to distinguish between 1600m and 1609m. i dont know why thats so upsetting for you.
The conversion factor is supposed to 1.08.
This gives you -
3:42.22 1500 = 4:00.00 mile
3:26.00 1500 (WR) = 3:42.48 mile (actual mile WR is 3:43.13)
3:35.30 1500 (CR) = 3:52.52 mile
3:46.91 mile (AR) = 3:30.10 1500 (Webb's 1500 pr is 3:30.54)
4:25_9:45_15:39 wrote:
i used
http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/4/4_1/96.shtmli say "full mile" to distinguish between 1600m and 1609m. i dont know why thats so upsetting for you.
I found your problem. You used a pace calculator, which does not account for a slowdown.
Yes, if you came through 1500 in 3:35 then continued another 109 meters at the same pace with no slowdown you would run a 3:50 mile. But someone who runs an all-out 1500 in 3:35 would have to back off the pace just a touch if running the full mile. That's why 3:35 converts to 3:53.
"1600" = sixteen hundred
"mile" = mile
What moron refers to a 1600 as a "mile"?...its a "sixteen hundred"
This bit of vernacular stupidity should be excised as soon as possible, but that is expecting far too much of the US educational system
As long as pi = 3.000000, then I guess 1600 = 1609.344
duckshirt wrote:
So the college 1500 record is 3:35... this converts to 3:53 for the mile, equal to the HS mile record. What's the college mile record, and why is it that no one can seem to beat Alan Webb as a high schooler?
You know, Alan Webb (at Michigan) couldn't even beat Alan Webb. The H.S. record is just that good, dude. Two seconds faster than Ryun, who is three seconds faster than anyone else??? What other record is like this?
Consider the other H.S. record on par with Webb's 3:53 - Do you think any college kids could toss a 12lb shot 80+ feet, like Michael Carter?
I thought Todd Harbour of Baylor used to hole the collegiate mile record at 3:50
Because the college record has a whole bunch of special rules that disqualify a lot of faster times by college runners so Jim Ryun is listed as a 3:53 runner while he ran 3:51 during the same time period and he 3:33 doesn't show up at all. And that is from a guy that ran 40 years ago.
duckshirt wrote:
So the college 1500 record is 3:35... this converts to 3:53 for the mile, equal to the HS mile record. What's the college mile record, and why is it that no one can seem to beat Alan Webb as a high schooler?
loves me some relationships wrote:
Yes, if you came through 1500 in 3:35 then continued another 109 meters at the same pace with no slowdown you would run a 3:50 mile. But someone who runs an all-out 1500 in 3:35 would have to back off the pace just a touch if running the full mile. That's why 3:35 converts to 3:53.
ahhh i see, that makes sense.
Off the Grid wrote:
"full" mile?!
Enough w/ the "full" mile BS
"Mile". 1600 1609.344
There is no, "full mile". Its a high school myth.
Actually there is a "full mile". 5280 ft = full mile.
Perhaps what you meant was that there are no other types of miles. No "unfull" miles as it were. 1600m is not a mile of any sort, full, unfull, alternate, or metric.
But please don't tell me that there is no "full mile" again, as clearly there is.
This bit of logical stupidity should be excised as soon as possible, but that is expecting far too much of Off the Grid.
Barnacle Billy Bob wrote:
I thought Todd Harbour of Baylor used to hole the collegiate mile record at 3:50
i remember when he ran that @ Bislett in a Baylor singlet
But I think that was "out of season" just like John Marshall's 1:43 @ the '84 OTs is not the collegiate record, even though he wore a Villanova singlet.
Barnacle Billy Bob wrote:
I thought Todd Harbour of Baylor used to hole the collegiate mile record at 3:50
Off the Grid wrote:
But I think that was "out of season" just like John Marshall's 1:43 @ the '84 OTs is not the collegiate record, even though he wore a Villanova singlet.
actually the guy who won - Earl Jones EMi Soph - would have the CR, but again, it was out of season, even though Earl went back to school in the fall.
duckshirt wrote:
So the college 1500 record is 3:35... this converts to 3:53 for the mile, equal to the HS mile record. What's the college mile record, and why is it that no one can seem to beat Alan Webb as a high schooler?
Along with some of the other posts regarding when races count and don't, bear in mind that you are talking about a guy who later ran 3:46.9 in the mile at the age of 24 or 25. If Webb had stayed in college and had success he probably could have run 3:50 or 3:51 at a meet like Pre, but of course thats all hypothetical.
The point is the HS all time record is very fast because Alan Webb, faults and all, is very fast! IAAF Jr. world records are absolutely sick, like 7:30 3K's and 13:00 5K's. That doesn't diminish what a 20 or 21 year old guy does, it just reinforces how fast some people are from a young age.