Sub 2:06 at Boston. What could Cheruioyt have run at Berlin or Rotterdam

2:07

You're running slower without tailwind.

The area where RC trains is VERY high altitude and very hilly. He is going to be most at home on a course like Boston. That doesn't mean he can't run a faster marathon, but he is 100% in his element on a hilly course. Most of the guys from his training camp have not urn particularly fast for the half-marathon and are (relatively speaking) downright SLOW for any distance under the half-marathon. i.e. you won't find any of them running a blazing 10k (unlike Merga, Wanjiru, etc.)

I haven't done an extensive review of the conditions. I heard it was still and cool at the start. So, the tailwind is new information for me. I would also concede the sense of running in familiar conditions might be to his benefit more. But I cant help thinking he could have run under 2:05 with similar weather conditions and a flat course.

That said, He probably wouldn't have won a major marathon as he did today. So his choice to run Boston was probably the best under any circumstances.

I thought they had a headwind for most of it didn't they?

I'd still say he has WR potential, along with a number of guys right now. If Boston and London's field ran Rotterdam, Geb's record would be gone for sure

they don't train in those hilly courses out of choice but of necessity of geography - for all anyone knows, he may hate training on hills but does it & may perform even better training on flat terrain

also,those two 2"04 kenyans from a coupla years ago have no special times below 1/2M, so this kenyan has to prove nothing with 10k times

Old Runner wrote: I heard it was still and cool at the start. So, the tailwind is new information for me.

It's never still around Boston :-)

He is a close friend of mine. I don't know why you feel the need to defend his 10k times to me. I was just pointing out that the way he trains is conducive to running a GREAT marathon on a tough course, but is not conducive to blazing fast speed. He also DOES choose to train in a particularly high altitude and hilly area.

Fat Lady Not Singing wrote:I don't know why you feel the need to defend his 10k times to me.

i don't

it woudn't matter if he was a 26'30 or a 28'00 guy - those 2 kenyans in rotterdam showed that

I was just pointing out that the way he trains is conducive to running a GREAT marathon on a tough course, but is not conducive to blazing fast speed

eh ???

so where do other kenyans who train in hilly conditions find blazing speed ?!

He also DOES choose to train in a particularly high altitude and hilly area.

pray tell us the camps in kenya which are NOT hilly or at altitude ??

What was the old course record there? Would have been an appropriate addition in the article about how amazing a 2:05:52 was in Boston.

Hint: "PARTICULARLY" high altitude and hilly area. You have no idea what you are talking about so why insist on being so rude about it?

i'm afraid your the one who knows f*** all about it

come back to the table when you've spent 6y of your life there...

If you had spent 6 years of your life there as an athlete I WOULD 100% know who you are. I don't.

Do you even know the name of the village where RK trains? I doubt you will be able to find it on the internet...

Fat Lady Not Singing wrote:

If you had spent 6 years of your life there as an athlete I WOULD 100% know who you are. I don't

yeah, so woud i

Do you even know the name of the village where RK trains? I doubt you will be able to find it on the internet...

rendille country ?

turkana country ?

tell me all the places you've spent there...

If I were to list off Iten, Kapsabet, Kisii, Kaptagat etc. you would just say I looked them up online.

Rather than doing that I wanted to hear from you where RK is from.

I mean, you got yourself all hot and bothered arguing about where he trains... so it would make sense if you at least know where that is?

All the training camps in kenya are a altitude and are hilly purely by default i.e the kalenjns and the kikuyu,meru and kamba who are the runners live on hilly grounds at altitude.However contry to what many people think,they just train hard,they do nt spend time thinking about total milliage or altitude training or all the science that western runners care about.The kenyans just run.Didnt you lisen to salina kosgei's interview.She started running in january after a few months of compete rest.No western runner would o such athing.

African domination in the marathon is in full effect this year. 2:05 is just a joke now days.

BTW.. tekeste kbede of ethiopia also impressed me.. this guy started running marathons at 19 back in san diego.. he was a back to back to back 2:13 guy... but something is clicking for him.

I met him in baltimore a few years back and he was working alone without a coach for the first time in a long while.

I thought he looked leaner and mentally ready to run.. he followed up with second or third at fukouka..and a solid 2nd here. in a PB.

He is 28 now..

Fat Lady Not Singing: Since you are LRC's resident RKC expert, would you mind revealing more of his story rather than challenging others to spout out facts they obviously don't know?

I've heard bits and pieces of the Cheruiyot story from my friends in Iten - how, before his win at Frankfurt in 08 he was one of Iten's ubiquitous "nobody's," relying on the assistance of others for food, shoes (my friend once gave him a pair of used Asics), etc, until another friend fronted money for the Frankfurt plane ticket.

Is he still in Iten? If you say "PARTICULARLY" hilly and high altitude it must either be there or Nyahururu. How old is he really?

Remember, this is not the first time for RKC to run Boston! So from experience he knew where to push and he prepare for the required endurance.

Therefore, I guess, Rotterdam couldn't have worked well for him!

Didn't his training partner run a 2:05xx at Rotterdam. You would think RK would stand a good chance to run about the same. Maybe, maybe not, but I think he executed Boston perfectly and ran about as fast as he was going to run give or take 10 - 20 seconds.