Addressing the front page article that said he did it in 1983. I know I'm getting old, but I remember him doing that and if it were 27 years ago I missed some years of my life.
Addressing the front page article that said he did it in 1983. I know I'm getting old, but I remember him doing that and if it were 27 years ago I missed some years of my life.
Oops, that should read 26:58.
Yes, it was around 1993 (17 years ago not 27).
Brojos need to do their research.
I know that Yobes and Lisa Martin had a daughter named Emma in 1990. I wonder if the Emma Ondieki that attends Arizona State University is their daughter. Those would be some running genes, presumably, but it is likely she does not have the same passion for the sport as her parents presumably did.
I knew that, even without looking it up! These stooges are not students of the sport.
chubby chuckie wrote:
I know that Yobes and Lisa Martin had a daughter named Emma in 1990. I wonder if the Emma Ondieki that attends Arizona State University is their daughter. Those would be some running genes, presumably, but it is likely she does not have the same passion for the sport as her parents presumably did.
born February 21, 1961... That would mean he was 22 years old in 1983. I think it is very conceivable that Ondieki also broke 27 in 1983 given that many Kenyan runners peak early and show little progress late in their careers. Perhaps there is a story we are missing.
totally possible wrote:
born February 21, 1961... That would mean he was 22 years old in 1983. I think it is very conceivable that Ondieki also broke 27 in 1983 given that many Kenyan runners peak early and show little progress late in their careers. Perhaps there is a story we are missing.
No, if you knew the history of the sport, you'd know that, for example, Fernando Mamede broke the world record in 1984 by running 27:13. In the same race, which was a few months before his LA Olympic Marathon victory, Carlos Lopes ran 27:17 to also get under the previous record.
Yobes Ondieki WAS the first under 27 minutes in 1993.
chubby chuckie wrote:
totally possible wrote:born February 21, 1961... That would mean he was 22 years old in 1983. I think it is very conceivable that Ondieki also broke 27 in 1983 given that many Kenyan runners peak early and show little progress late in their careers. Perhaps there is a story we are missing.
No, if you knew the history of the sport, you'd know that, for example, Fernando Mamede broke the world record in 1984 by running 27:13. In the same race, which was a few months before his LA Olympic Marathon victory, Carlos Lopes ran 27:17 to also get under the previous record.
Yobes Ondieki WAS the first under 27 minutes in 1993.
I think he is saying it may have happened, but never made it to the official record books. Kenyans are generally more interested in soccer, so perhaps it didn't even make the news. Or perhaps no Americans read the Kenyan papers that day. For all we know, Ondieki hammered sub-27s weekly for a free ugali buffet. Please keep in mind, this was before letsrun. Anyway, I think the brojos know more about this sort of thing than you do. That is my final thought.
NO, the brojos do NOT know more about this than I do. You ARE an idiot. Ondieki ran for Iowa State and he probably didn't even break 28 minutes while there, much less 27 minutes. I am not disparaging the brojos, but to think they more about the sport than I do: give me a break. However, that is not germane to the discussion. The fact is that Ondieki was a late bloomer.
What about Arturo Barrios?
ondieki ran 26:58 in 1993 and it was in the papers, there was even a 800 number that had track updates that summer, also track and field news wrote about it.
i am sure the 1983 on the letsrun.com front page was a typo.
Aggie wrote:
What about Arturo Barrios?
ran his 10k track record of 27:08 in berlin in 1989.
douglas burke wrote:
Aggie wrote:What about Arturo Barrios?
ran his 10k track record of 27:08 in berlin in 1989.
Why doesn't the internet show his PRs for the half marathon and the marathon? It appears that he should have been a superstar in these events, given his 21.101K 1 hour run record which he held for 16 years before Geb broke it.
it lasted 16y primarily because no africans took any serious attempt at it ( it's not really a mony-spinner race, more a curiousity ) & if geb hadn't bothered chasing it ( to complete his "set" of wrs ) it'd still be the mark !
1 21285m Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Ostrava 27.06.2007
2 21101m Arturo Barrios MEX 12.12.63 1 La Flèche 30.03.1991
3 20944m Jos Hermens NED 08.01.50 1 Papendal 01.05.1976
4 20943m Dionisio Castro POR 22.11.63 1 La Flèche 31.03.1990
5 20907m Jos Hermens NED 08.01.50 1 Papendal 28.09.1975
6 20855m Carl Thackery GBR 14.10.62 2 La Flèche 31.03.1990
7 20822m Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Hengelo 01.06.2009
8 20797m Kiplimo Kimutai KEN 10.12.81 2 Hengelo 01.06.2009
9 20784m Gaston Roelants BEL 05.02.37 1 Bruxelles 20.09.1972
10 20756m Wilson Kiprop KEN 87 3 Hengelo 01.06.2009
you don't see any tergats, sigeis, ondiekis, chelimos, koechs, etc on that list
chubby chuckie wrote:
NO, the brojos do NOT know more about this than I do. You ARE an idiot. Ondieki ran for Iowa State and he probably didn't even break 28 minutes while there, much less 27 minutes. I am not disparaging the brojos, but to think they more about the sport than I do: give me a break. However, that is not germane to the discussion. The fact is that Ondieki was a late bloomer.
Ok, well my point was that there was no need to be rude to that guy when he was suggesting something more reasonable than you were giving him credit for. Reciting what you read on wikipedia does not change anything or mean you know more about the sport than the brojos. And I think his point was much more interesting than anything you have plagiarized. Many posters here are high schoolers who are just learning about Yobes Ondieki as we speak. Try looking at things from their perspective, where potentially lost or little known world records are actually an interesting subject instead of something worth throwing a tantrum and calling people names over. Food for thought...
ventolin^2 wrote:
it lasted 16y primarily because no africans took any serious attempt at it ( it's not really a mony-spinner race, more a curiousity ) & if geb hadn't bothered chasing it ( to complete his "set" of wrs ) it'd still be the mark !
1 21285m Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Ostrava 27.06.20072 21101m Arturo Barrios MEX 12.12.63 1 La Flèche 30.03.1991
3 20944m Jos Hermens NED 08.01.50 1 Papendal 01.05.1976
4 20943m Dionisio Castro POR 22.11.63 1 La Flèche 31.03.1990
5 20907m Jos Hermens NED 08.01.50 1 Papendal 28.09.1975
6 20855m Carl Thackery GBR 14.10.62 2 La Flèche 31.03.1990
7 20822m Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Hengelo 01.06.2009
8 20797m Kiplimo Kimutai KEN 10.12.81 2 Hengelo 01.06.2009
9 20784m Gaston Roelants BEL 05.02.37 1 Bruxelles 20.09.1972
10 20756m Wilson Kiprop KEN 87 3 Hengelo 01.06.2009
you don't see any tergats, sigeis, ondiekis, chelimos, koechs, etc on that list
I was asking about his half marathons and marathons. I cannot find any record of them online. But I do see that Barrios was the first man to break one hour in the half marathon, and he did it in his one hour run. So I don't think your portrayal of his time as soft is accurate at all.
Peacekeeper, you're a buffoon. If you want to suggest that it is interesting for some moron to fantasize about Ondieki, who didn't even break 28 minutes while running for Iowa State, to have somehow broken 27 minutes in practice, then you can pleasure yourself to it all day long...I am not plagiarizing anything, you imbecile, and your suggestion about Ondieki running a world record in 1983 and then referring to it in an empty-headed manner as a "potentially lost world record" manifests an ignorance that is astounding. IF you find this interesting, I suppose you'd be interested to know that I ran 5000 meters in 12:30 one day, but did NOT want the hounding of the paparazzi to intrude upon my tranquillity so it has been cloaked in the utmost secrecy...until now.
That was definitely uncalled for. You're drunken, incoherent run-on sentences make it clear who the "buffoon", "moron", "imbecile", etc. really is. Your clearly not very smart.
Aggie wrote:But I do see that Barrios was the first man to break one hour in the half marathon, and he did it in his one hour run. So I don't think your portrayal of his time as soft is accurate at all.
45 guys have run faster on the roads than his hour run
you call that a strong time ???
check what is 46th performer over 800/1500/3k/5k/10k