Jon Grey of W&M runs 13:54 and 30:08 in one night ??

What does this have to do with McDougal? He ran at Liberty.

McDougal would double or triple in the distance events at IC4A's every year. I think his team won the year that he ran the 5k, 10k, and 1500.

Talk about a kid that improved alot from high school. Way to go Jon Grey! Representin PA right!

Its pretty crazy that he decided to run both but a 30:0x 10k is a lot slower comparatively to a sub 14 5k. Still, awesome 5k time.

That is such a good double. Running sub 14 and coming back LESS than an hour later and running 30:0x is unreal.

What is this guys training like? High mileage? I'm not familiar with W&M training.

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That is such a good double. Running sub 14 and coming back LESS than an hour later and running 30:0x is unreal.

What is this guys training like? High mileage? I'm not familiar with W&M training.

High Quality Mileage. Basically two workouts a week, a long run, and as much quality mileage you can fit in between. Most run pretty high mileage, but it is individualized. Jon Grey is talented because he can run as much and as hard as he wants without breaking down. Gibby is really good coach and knows it. A fifth place cross team with how many FL finalists and foreign athletes?

...really you had to point out how much he slowed from the 5k to the 10k? Really? I am sorry I did not know people are not allowed to get tired when doubling within an hour. but thank you for your notice. We appreciate you critiquing Grey's double, because we did not realize fatigue would set it. No really thank you. Your obviousness astounds LR

Jon Grey ran in my county in high school, and I remember him being pretty good, not great (9:20s and 4:20s i think), but I forgot about him for a couple years and just realized he's been going nuts in college. He must have stepped up his mileage big time at W&M

Actually, I believe Grey was trying to help out his teammate, John Pence. Pence ran the 30:08. Grey was 30:09. Nice run, guys!

Nice double wrote:

That is such a good double. Running sub 14 and coming back LESS than an hour later and running 30:0x is unreal.

I wouldn't call it unreal. It's basically a 44:00 15k with an hour rest in the middle, isn't it?

malmo go fck urself for that comment

siiiiiiicccccccccccck wrote:

malmo go fck urself for that comment

ehh.... I think of all the people on this board, Malmo has earned the right to be objective about the performance. To be sure, it's a great double, but it's one more rung up a ladder that's still got a lot more rungs to go.

not bad considering he ran the last two miles with his head turned encouraging his teammate along to a huge personal best. he was not racing.

siiiiiiicccccccccccck wrote:

malmo go fck urself for that comment

put your head in a bucket of icewater.

bootsie wrote:

ehh.... I think of all the people on this board, Malmo has earned the right to be objective about the performance. To be sure, it's a great double, but it's one more rung up a ladder that's still got a lot more rungs to go.

44:00 would be a solid 15k for a college runner, even a "great" 15k. It's not a great double.

He was pacing a teammate, that should be pretty obvious from the results. The guy is in wicked shape. Been logging 110+ miles with some pretty impressive workouts tossed in there for kicks. Look for him to run 28 low at Mt. Sac. I've got mixed feelings about gibby but you can't argue with his success stories. 3 guys broke 14 another at 14:12, another guy ran 3:47, Harry ran a 8:53 steeple, and Massam didn't even run. All that at a meet not called Penn, Stanford, or Mt. Sac.

malmo wrote:

44:00 would be a solid 15k for a college runner, even a "great" 15k. It's not a great double.

Fine! That's the last time I stick up for you, Malmo! ;P On the whole though, I guess you're right. Perhaps I felt that way because both times are better than my p.r.'s in each respective distance. It's still not a bad night's work. The REAL question is how many American's will go sub-13 this year. I say 5.

AMRunner800 wrote:

...really you had to point out how much he slowed from the 5k to the 10k? Really? I am sorry I did not know people are not allowed to get tired when doubling within an hour. but thank you for your notice. We appreciate you critiquing Grey's double, because we did not realize fatigue would set it. No really thank you. Your obviousness astounds LR

It is likely that the 10k was run as a tempo, or, as mentioned above, some sort of pacing effort.

Why?