Seriously, this guy has not improved in the last couple years. He acts like running anything close to his best workout times is good, but shouldn't he expect to improve every season or year? For how hard he works, I think his coach(es) should be ashamed of this lack of improvement.
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Go home Vipam.
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trololo wrote:
Seriously, this guy has not improved in the last couple years. He acts like running anything close to his best workout times is good, but shouldn't he expect to improve every season or year? For how hard he works, I think his coach(es) should be ashamed of this lack of improvement.
Seriously, you can´t expect much improvement after 2.06. -
Improvement is not linear.
Expecting seasonal or even yearly improvements is asking a lot. At some point guys are going to plateau. Some move beyond and reach new high peaks, some stay at the plateau, but eventually everyone starts putting up slower performances. -
is he really down at sea level for 3 weeks leading up to race day? thats a bad decision, he runs well off coming straight down.
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I've offered my sentiments before (oh, wait, that's right -- those who can, do, and those who can't or didn't, coach) and Hall's phenomenon is nothing new. The legs only have so many hard miles and, especially, marathons in them, and it's not unusual for an athlete to deliver a PR within the first few attempts. Hall is stale and risks never returning to his old form. UNLESS he backs off and doesn't run another marathon until the trials (assuming he is an auto-qualifier or qualifies with a 10k), I'd bet he doesn't make the team in 2012.
He seems addicted to training, and while he may yet "pop" a good one in here somewhere, he needs to give his legs a lot of rest, get back to some different type of stimuli like Ritz did on the track, and recoup, IM-not so-HO. -
Hall is typical of the modern American distance runner- loves to TALK (and talk and talk) about his training, but is scared to race. On the rare occasion he actually does line up, he's usually got an excuse ready- "I'm out of shape, I'm training through..."
Shorter, Rodgers, et al back in the day WERE NOT like this! -
Sagarin wrote:
I've offered my sentiments before (oh, wait, that's right -- those who can, do, and those who can't or didn't, coach) and Hall's phenomenon is nothing new. The legs only have so many hard miles and, especially, marathons in them, and it's not unusual for an athlete to deliver a PR within the first few attempts. Hall is stale and risks never returning to his old form. UNLESS he backs off and doesn't run another marathon until the trials (assuming he is an auto-qualifier or qualifies with a 10k), I'd bet he doesn't make the team in 2012.
He seems addicted to training, and while he may yet "pop" a good one in here somewhere, he needs to give his legs a lot of rest, get back to some different type of stimuli like Ritz did on the track, and recoup, IM-not so-HO.
Mark this day on the calendar, Sagarin- I agree with every single word you said here. -
no I am not faster than him wrote:
Hall is typical of the modern American distance runner- loves to TALK (and talk and talk) about his training, but is scared to race. On the rare occasion he actually does line up, he's usually got an excuse ready- "I'm out of shape, I'm training through..."
Shorter, Rodgers, et al back in the day WERE NOT like this!
Nor nearly as fast. If he never runs another PR, he's had a phenomenal career. The results speak for themselves....oh yeah, and you're an idiot. -
Well, he did say in that RW interview linked on the front page that he is planning a return to the track this summer. Probably a short return, but still. Maybe...MAYYYYYBE he'll decide to put some real effort into it and realize how much it can help him like it has helped Ritz.
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Sagarin wrote:
He seems addicted to training, and while he may yet "pop" a good one in here somewhere, he needs to give his legs a lot of rest, get back to some different type of stimuli like Ritz did on the track, and recoup, IM-not so-HO.
I like how you base your opinion on anecdotal evidence. -
He shouldn't be running Boston. It's too hard on the legs and harder yet to recover from, and he's run too many already in too short a time frame. The best thing he could do right now is chase that ever-elusive sub-4:00 mile that he always said he wanted.
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So unless there's a war going on we don't have any real men. Now we know why kings and presidents and dictators push for war all the time; so we can have some real men. Hmm.
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Please tell me you are kidding. You list military service as the #1 determinant of being a man? You then follow that with working in a war zone? That is just tragic. One question for you since most flag waving, patriotic zealots consider themselves Christian, do you consider Jesus to have been a real man? According to your standards the answer would be no.
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goin out on a limb here, but, ... I'm guessin he meant any ONE of those
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Sagarin wrote:
He shouldn't be running Boston. It's too hard on the legs and harder yet to recover from, and he's run too many already in too short a time frame.
No it isn't and no he hasn't.
The best thing he could do right now is chase that ever-elusive sub-4:00 mile that he always said he wanted.
Waste of time. -
Hall is running Boston for the money.
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The Stache wrote:
Well, he did say in that RW interview linked on the front page that he is planning a return to the track this summer. Probably a short return, but still. Maybe...MAYYYYYBE he'll decide to put some real effort into it and realize how much it can help him like it has helped Ritz.
The thing is, we've heard it all before. Remember his supposed "sub-4 attempt" a couple of years ago? The guy likes to talk about returning to the track but never does. He just seems fixated on doing the same type of training year after year. What he probably means by returning to the track is the occasional 5000 or 10000 off of no specific training....a 13:20 or 27:50 type run. Then half of Letsrunners will criticize the effort and the other half will praise him for being right where he should be for a fall marathon.
I doubt we'll ever see a return to the track of the magnitude of Ritz's last summer. -
Stache that is not nice. you made all the illiterates feel bad.
On another note: Thank you for posting that -
Doesnt really belong? Are you having a laugh. It belongs everywhere.
