Andrews will win the NCAA XC Championship this year
Andrews will win the NCAA XC Championship this year
Does he really have that kind of endurance? That would be pretty sweet!
iliketotroll wrote:
Does he really have that kind of endurance? That would be pretty sweet!
The kid has GUTS, he put Wheating in his place not once, but TWICE!!
stupify me wrote:
iliketotroll wrote:Does he really have that kind of endurance? That would be pretty sweet!
The kid has GUTS, he put Wheating in his place not once, but TWICE!!
that's right because running 800 meters on the track is very similar to running 10K on a cross country course.
epopians wrote:
... During this time, before the 2 years of illness he certainly did have an aura of invincibility. Scott and Coghlan both said at the time they couldn't expect to beat Coe at his best.
Debating whether or not Coe had "an aura of invincibility" is a bit like debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
That said, choosing Scott and Coghlan as reference points is rather unconvincing. Good as these two were, they were always second tier. I think that if you asked folks like Ovett and Cram if they thought that they were racing for 2nd place when Coe was in the race they would have fallen down laughing. To me this is inconsistent with the notion of "an aura of invincibility".
It will be sweet is Robby Andrews turns out to have this kind of talent, but he has a very long road to travel before we can say that. First things first--Robbie will have a very difficult time with his college competition at 800 meters, and will have to improve his speed and learn to race from the front before he can even claim an NCAA Outdoor title. And just for correction, he may have nipped Wheating (once in a relay race), but those were at a time when Wheating was far from his peak last Spring. No realistic person would say that Andrews is a better 800 runner than Wheating or Symmonds (or several other Americans) at this point. Fans who have placed these high expectations on Robby are not his friends. They are doing nothing but adding pressure and giving a virtually no-win expectation. Let the young man mature and grow naturally, or he will end up injured and disappointed. His time will come if folks will let him gradually mature.
grand slam wrote:
rudisha does wrote:RA's "modern day contemporaries" have better leg speed than Coe. Look at Rudisha and Kaki.
David Rudisha ran 45.5 for an open 400 in Feb. 2010 and is just 21 years old! He just crushed Coe's 800m record from 1979 at Bislett. Kaki is just 20 years old, too and he beat Coe's record at Bislett, too.
I would say that BOTH of these runners will surpass Coe's PB of 1:41.73 and also have better 400 speed than Coe.
Lol!
You think breaking a 31 year old record by less than 0.3 is worthy of the word "crushed"!
Rudisha & Kaki had each other to push them over the second lap, Coe had no one within 30m. You don't think the Oslo track now might be a little faster than it was in the late 70's? Of course it's quicker, probably by a couple of tenths each lap at least. It's laughable that because they've run faster than someone 31 years ago, who most probably would have run sub 1:41.0 with the faster tracks, better pacing and more competition that the current crop have, that they must have faster 400m speed. Yes, Rudisha has, but not by much, and that doesn't mean he has a better "kick" in an 800m race. Coe's speed endurance would be superior.
There is no stats on Kaki running as fast as Coe at 400m. He would appear to be an 800/1500 type.
I certainly wouldn't be surprised if both do surpass Coe's fastest 800 time, probably later this season when it reaches its peak in August. However, Coe also ran his 1:41 in early June, like these two. If they get quicker as the season progresses then that only underlines the fact that Coe too would have run faster than 1:41.7 later that same season had he: - 1) the motivation to break a time that was already out of reach of the rest of the world; 2) Had enough fast paced opportunities to do so and not chased the Mile record as well.
Johnny Gray had faster 400m pb than Coe, that doesn't mean he could out kick him off any pace. To do that he'd have needed 3:30 1500 ability as well.
You are wrong!
Coe had faster 400 speed than Johnny Gray; Gray's best 400s were in the mid 46 range. At the height of Coe's career, he didn't run any serious 400s, but his workouts and relay splits suggeest he was a legit 45 guy.
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Holy Moly!!!!The kid is FAST!!!
His form doesn't resemble Coe's in any way. Coe (and one of the successors to his 800 record - Kipkter too) is one of the most efficient and light runners to grace the game. I am not sure we will see another one soon.
As I posted in another thread, he reminds me of Fermin Cacho - has similar finishing speed and style. He is a great talent. 1:44 as a sophomore - and more importantly, a drive to win and always be in the game? He is the antithesis of a time trialer - something I haven't seen in a while.
Seb admitted to decades of dope use. It was legal then. RA can't dope like Seb did.
it is so fashionable wrote:
His form doesn't resemble Coe's in any way. Coe (and one of the successors to his 800 record - Kipkter too) is one of the most efficient and light runners to grace the game. I am not sure we will see another one soon.
As I posted in another thread, he reminds me of Fermin Cacho - has similar finishing speed and style. He is a great talent. 1:44 as a sophomore - and more importantly, a drive to win and always be in the game? He is the antithesis of a time trialer - something I haven't seen in a while.
Thank you so much for that.
Robbie Andrews = Fermin Cacho........very similar, right down to the hunched up shoulders.
Hey...if it works; but don't compare RA to "poetry in motion" Seb Coe.
Remember this convo from Penn Relays -
Wheating: Dude, your mom is so cool.
Andrews: She loves you.
I don’t know why anybody would be comparing your Andrews chap with Coe.
Apart from Coe still, after 30 years, being the third fastest 800mt runner ever - he also happened to have won the gold medal at the 1500 at two successive Olympics and would have won a third had it not been for idiot selectors in GB.
If Andrew’s running tactics resemble anyone, it’s that of Borzakovskiy - who won the 800 at the Athens Games.
In the NCAA race itself, that Jock fellow clearly went out too fast for his own ability, running the first 400 in 49 - it was set up for a fast finisher who laid off, running, what? 51? at the bell.
He won’t find the Africans dying up the finishing straight.
not so sure wrote:
epopians wrote:... During this time, before the 2 years of illness he certainly did have an aura of invincibility. Scott and Coghlan both said at the time they couldn't expect to beat Coe at his best.
Debating whether or not Coe had "an aura of invincibility" is a bit like debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
That said, choosing Scott and Coghlan as reference points is rather unconvincing. Good as these two were, they were always second tier. I think that if you asked folks like Ovett and Cram if they thought that they were racing for 2nd place when Coe was in the race they would have fallen down laughing. To me this is inconsistent with the notion of "an aura of invincibility".
Certainly between 79 and 81, Cram (who was younger and yet to reach his best) wouldn't have believed he could have beaten Coe, the same as pretty much everyone else. Ovett too did quite a bit of "ducking" Coe, according to Steve's manager at the time, Andy Norman. Ovett declined to run against Coe in the 79 Dream Mile, prevented Coe running against him in the 81 Dream Mile in Oslo, and also pulled out at the last minute from a long term planned clash in the 81 Golden Mile in Brussels. Not exactly the sort of actions from someone who supposedly would have laughed at the suggestion they would have been beaten by Coe!
Coe lost just twice in 4 years from late 78 to late 82.
It's well documented the psychological effect Coe had on his rivals at this time. It wasn't until the illness and defeats of 82 & 83 that this aura disappeared.
Back to Andrews. Great run and good tactical brain. Had the common sense to hang off the pace at the start, enabling him to run more even splits. At the end though, it wasn't so much a "kick" as rather the rest of the field who'd gone with the initial pace, were slowing down.
Just checked out the race on Youtube, and got the following stats on Andrews:
200m - 25.2,
400m - 51.3,
600m - 1:18.3
700m - 1:31.8
Laps of 51.4 & 53.3.
200's of - 25.2, 26.1, 27.0, 26.4
last 100m - 12.9
Jock's splits:
200 - 24.4
400 - 49.8
600 - 1:17.0
700 - 1:30.9
Laps of 49.8 & 54.9
200's - 24.4, 25.4, 27.2, 27.7
last 100m - 13.8
Andrews doesn't look or move like Coe, but he does have the ability to kick with success in the last 100m. Whether he can do what Coe did at an even faster pace has yet to be seen. Certainly though he's as good as Coe was at 20 (1:44.71 to Coe's 1:44.95).
I'm Tellin you!
they doped in coe's days. robby is the real thing not a phony doper.
Coach D wrote:
From his UVA bio:
[quote]
High School
• Indoor and outdoor 800m national champion ('09)
• National record holder in 800m (1:49.21) and 1000m (2:22.28)
• First high school athlete to ever break 1:50 in the 800m
• Two-time first-team all-state in cross country
Curious why/how anyone could ever write this? National record holder at 1:49? For what? Indoors?
First HS athlete to ever break 1:50? For what? The indoor 800m?
Yss, indoors. They would write it because it is true.
Robby Andrews could shed 3 seconds off his mile time right now if he trimmed his eyebrow(s?).
Nonames wrote:
Yss, indoors. They would write it because it is true.
"First high school athlete to ever break 1:50 in the 800m"
Anyone not knowing that the outdoor 800m record is held by someone else at 1:46.45 would assume that sentence refers to the outdoor record.
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