what happened to Hasay in the 3000

they realized they didn't need more points and told her to stop (i'm assuming this was after the conclusion of the PV, where they got a 2nd)

ctd16 wrote:

they realized they didn't need more points and told her to stop (i'm assuming this was after the conclusion of the PV, where they got a 2nd)

That was EXACTLY the plan, and exactly what happened.

Shortly after the women's pole vault results were announced...Hasay was off the track and rooting on her teammate from the sidelines.

What great team spirit.

Even better Hasay helped pace her team-mate for the first half of the race and Nicole had a PR in the 3000 and scored points!

nicole did not PR in the 3000.

She got Vinny'd. Just wait a few more years and see what happens. How did the 5000 go for Blood?

When running for the TEAM TITLE, the tactic has become obvious. Declare for every event you qualify for. This does not allow competitors in the field. Even if you DNF, at least you have kept other potential scorers out of the meet.

Keep in mind that Bizzari almost did not get into this meet.

Nike has no pull wrote:

She got Vinny'd. Just wait a few more years and see what happens. How did the 5000 go for Blood?.

Blood fell in the 5k, try again.

I don't know if you are complaining or not, but if you run the time and qualify it is your right to declare and drop out. This isn't JV, everyone doesn't get to play. If you don't get to go because of someone who is going and probably going to drop out, then too bad run faster next time.

Nike has no pull wrote:

She got Vinny'd. Just wait a few more years and see what happens. How did the 5000 go for Blood?

When running for the TEAM TITLE, the tactic has become obvious. Declare for every event you qualify for. This does not allow competitors in the field. Even if you DNF, at least you have kept other potential scorers out of the meet.

Keep in mind that Bizzari almost did not get into this meet.

I believe that if you DNF and it is because of some other reason than someone hitting you then you are not allowed to run any other events. Personally I have seen teams use this so that other teams that they are competing against can not get athletes in. I think it is a bit of a dirty tactic. At the same time though it is pretty simple run the time and you are in. I think that there should be something done about indoor though because people are not running the same tracks.

There used to be an NCAA rule about "honest effort" to deal with situations like this. Not sure if the rule still exists and/or how it is/was enforced.

There is and Hasay did not violate it.

Mike Rowe wrote:

I believe that if you DNF and it is because of some other reason than someone hitting you then you are not allowed to run any other events. Personally I have seen teams use this so that other teams that they are competing against can not get athletes in. I think it is a bit of a dirty tactic. At the same time though it is pretty simple run the time and you are in. I think that there should be something done about indoor though because people are not running the same tracks.

No, dropping out of one race does not preclude running in another race at NCAA's. Mary Cullen of Providence did that a few years back. She dropped out of the 3k on Friday because she went out real hard, got caught by the field, and became discombobulated. The next night, she won the 5k.

I've long maintained that if someone wants to race the 5k and 3k on successive days that they should have to qualify for both on successive days (or the same day). Same thing with the dmr and mile.

Putting two qualifying marks up weeks apart does not prove that the runner can run two events on successive days or on the same day at the appropriate level. If the athlete can - and shows it in the qualifying process - more power to them. But, otherwise, it's a disservice to the meet (because they're too tired to even finish the race) or to athletes who would run faster but are blocked from the field.

la la land wrote:

I've long maintained that if someone wants to race the 5k and 3k on successive days that they should have to qualify for both on successive days (or the same day). Same thing with the dmr and mile.

Putting two qualifying marks up weeks apart does not prove that the runner can run two events on successive days or on the same day at the appropriate level. If the athlete can - and shows it in the qualifying process - more power to them. But, otherwise, it's a disservice to the meet (because they're too tired to even finish the race) or to athletes who would run faster but are blocked from the field.

That's one of the silliest things I've ever heard. You shouldn't get to qualify (or score) because "Person A wasn't in the race"...There should be no consolation in wanting to race on the hope that your competition is focusing on other events (thus allowing you to "sneak in" the race)--either you're the best in your event or you aren't. If other people are faster than you, they're simply faster; what they do with their qualification is on them. If you don't like it, your runner should RUN FASTER...or sit quietly on the sidelines.

It's not silly at all. Every year it's the same thing: the 3000 meter field is piss poor because it's filled with people who cannot actually do a double, but they are given a free pass on the false assumption that qualifying times run sometimes with weeks or months of rest in between equals being able to produce similiar performances with one day or less rest. It doesn't.

I don't mind people doubling at all. McNeil and Knoll certainly showed how to do it. At the same time, Lee and Hasay showed the silliness of attempting it when not quite up to the task. My point is, if an athlete wants to take up the spots by doubling, let the athlete show that they can still run quality marks in close proximity, which is the exact task at hand at nationals.

Rofl at YOU. Hasay got points for her team and helped lead them to a National Championship! Something YOU will never have loser! hahahahah! In your face!

Jenny Jane wrote:

Rofl at YOU. Hasay got points for her team and helped lead them to a National Championship! Something YOU will never have loser! hahahahah! In your face!

Super, I'm happy for Hasay and Oregon. But, of course, she scored no points in the 3k - because she was tired from the dmr leg, the mile trials, and the mile finals. So, she was no longer really functional at her normal level of competitiveness due to multi-eventing at the same meet.

I don't have a problem with her or any other athlete doing any amount of tripling or quadrupuling or whatever as long as they show that they can do it in advance. Otherwise, you just wind up with dnf's or slow runs as in the cases of Hassay, Pudeskra (sp?), Emmanuel and others.

I don't criticize these athletes for attempting the efforts, but I think the qualifying procedures should be changed to make them show that they are capable of running multiple high level performances in the same 24 hour period.

Hasay not up to the task?

Mile prelim in 4:41, 4:32 in the DMR, and a 4:38 in the final. There are people to criticize for their poor double (which could be to a number of reasons), but Jordan certainly isn't one of them.

I'd say that if we looked at the issue, the uncertainty of DMR lineups plays a rather important role.

I'd also say that a lot can happen on any given day. I'm not sure where to draw the line for, say, an athlete like Michael Coe.

Another quick point I'd like to throw out there is coaches don't want to require hard doubles out of athletes too often. Requiring it for qualification purposes would be a hard sell to the coaches, I don't think you'd see too many of them go for it.

Qualifying rounds in the 3K and 5K? Telll us you are putting us on. Obviously you have no clue about competitive distance running. And your comments about Hasay are way off. She was in that 3K race to score points if her team needed them. As soon as it was announced that Gergel has jumped 14'6" to take second place (8 points), the championship had been won and Hasay stepped off the track. At that point, even if Blood had dropped back and not scored, and even if the Oregon team had dropped a baton and not finished the relay, the meet was won. Bottom line is that Hasay could have scored (and in my opinion, would have scored top 3 or 4) had they needed her points. End of thread.