Having NCAA DII's at altitude really takes away from your accomplishments.
Not really your fault, but a big screw up by the NCAA.
We'd respect you more if you won at sea-level where its fair for everyone. This is just sad because you guys really are good.
Oh well, one more year of a psuedo-national championship. It's only DII after all.
lets be real here, the only competition they get is in state competition. nothing has really changed in the last 10 years, adams and western are still the 2 best teams. they will beat everyone else at altitude or at sea level, it doesn't really matter.
DIVISION II CROSS COUNTRY CHAMPIONSHIP
SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2009
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MEN'S TEAM RESULTS
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1. 23 Adams State (31:11.1 155:55.2)
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1 1 Reuben Mwei 312 30:27.8
2 3 Aaron Braun 303 31:08.2
3 4 Brian Medigovich 311 31:12.6
4 7 Anthony Gauthier 307 31:28.4
5 8 Luke Cragg 305 31:38.2
6 ( 15) Nathaniel Sellers 313 32:00.0
7 ( 22) Ryan McNiff 310 32:13.8
2. 86 Western State (32:04.6 160:22.9)
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1 9 Iain Donnan 575 31:41.7
2 13 Tyler Pennel 580 31:53.2
3 16 Sean Brown 574 32:02.8
4 23 Loren Ahonen 572 32:16.0
5 25 David Flynn 576 32:29.2
6 ( 49) Glenn Watts 583 33:00.9
7 ( 59) Tyler Rasmussen 581 33:11.3
3. 153 Colorado Mines (32:32.7 162:43.5)
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1 14 Aaron Swift 366 31:58.8
2 18 Ben Zywicki 367 32:10.5
3 31 Tyler Curtis 361 32:40.4
4 34 Sean Gildea 363 32:45.2
5 56 Mack McLain 365 33:08.6
6 ( 72) Russell Drummond 362 33:31.5
7 (151) Nate Hatleback 364 36:06.4
4. 170 Western Washington (32:38.3 163:11.5)
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1 10 Jordan Welling 594 31:44.6
2 33 Anthony Tomsich 593 32:44.7
3 38 Eric Brill 587 32:48.6
4 42 Bennett Grimes 588 32:53.7
5 47 Blake Medhaug 592 32:59.9
6 ( 64) Greg Kubitz 590 33:18.0
7 ( 81) Yonas Berhe 586 33:41.5
5. 185 Grand Valley St. (32:37.8 163:08.8)
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1 11 Tyler Emmorey 399 31:45.8
2 19 Ross Faasse 400 32:10.9
3 39 Anthony Witt 409 32:49.3
4 50 Ryan Toth 408 33:01.7
5 66 Paul Zielinski 410 33:21.1
6 ( 84) Jeff Nordquist 405 33:47.8
6. 228 Southern Indiana (32:55.2 164:36.0)
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1 21 Dustin Emerick 518 32:13.3
2 27 Brendan Devine 514 32:30.8
3 32 Andrew Dixon 516 32:41.2
4 71 David Goodman 519 33:31.3
5 77 Brandon Campbell 512 33:39.4
6 (111) Michael Callison 510 34:21.1
7 (139) Michael Jordan 520 35:22.6
7. 256 Queens (N.C.) (32:54.5 164:32.4)
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1 5 Oscar Ogwaro 485 31:18.0
2 45 Alex Schilling 488 32:57.9
3 61 Nelson Mwangi 484 33:15.0
4 65 Simon Stuetzel 489 33:20.7
5 80 Matthew Rowell 486 33:40.8
6 (101) Brian Yates 490 34:09.4
8. 284 Chico State (33:06.9 165:34.4)
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1 12 Jimmy Elam 344 31:47.3
2 44 Brendan Scanlon 352 32:55.7
3 46 Joey Kochalacs 350 32:59.0
4 74 Beau Gradone-Rogers 346 33:34.0
5 108 Michael Wickman 357 34:18.4
6 (117) Brent Handa 347 34:37.9
7 (159) Alan Campos 341 37:14.3
9. 296 Harding (32:59.4 164:57.0)
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1 2 Daniel Kirwa 417 30:28.2
2 17 Philip Biwott 411 32:05.3
3 37 Wojciech Kopec 418 32:47.3
4 99 Manase Busienei 413 34:08.3
5 141 Justin Kutter 419 35:27.9
6 (145) Ryan Johnson 415 35:48.3
7 (163) Reece Jackson 414 38:14.6
10. 313 Augustana (S.D.) (33:20.0 166:39.6)
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1 29 Matt Braithwaite 328 32:35.9
2 40 Tom Karbo 331 32:50.7
3 57 Austin Vande Berg 336 33:09.3
4 89 Travis Beniak 326 33:56.4
5 98 Matt Heesch 330 34:07.3
6 (104) Daniel Black 327 34:14.4
7 (120) Ryan Evans 329 34:44.8
Seems to me that Adam's best are consistently beat by guys from sea-level. Especially on the track. Where you been?
Adams has a tradjic history of being punked. Aaron Braun? NCAA DII Runner of the year got his hat handed to him indoors and out last year. And by a skinny punk haired skateboarder from Cali.
Punked.
Braun why don't you celebrate some more you downsyndrome f*** face.
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Adams State are the best at altitude/sea level/cross country/track it's just the way it is. Sorry if that upsets you.
Agree. How the heck could the NCAA think that 5000' provides a FAIR playing field for a national championship. Shame on the games committee and if ASC pulls out a national title an "*" should be place in the history books.
Really its true. This is a wind aided meet for altitude teams.
Reflects poorly on the Colorado teams although its not their fault. I have a lot of respect for them and their accomplishments.
This meet just diminishes their ability as well as pokes fun at and embarrasses visiting teams. It's petty sad. Seems someone should be DQ'd for unsportsmanlike conduct but it ain't the athletes.
Maishia Palmer? This is your own personal Riot At The Hyatt. Way to screw up.
But at least its a banked track! That's a step forward for the red-headed step child of the NCAA!
if i'm not mistaken, we all breathe the same air, no matter how much us available.
grow up losers. if you have a problem with losing, sack up and win. at altitude, everyone is under the same disadvantage.
if i'm not mistaken, we all breathe the same air, no matter how much us available.
grow up losers. if you have a problem with losing, sack up and win. at altitude, everyone is under the same disadvantage.
V(D)J recombinase wrote:
if i'm not mistaken, we all breathe the same air, no matter how much us available.
grow up losers. if you have a problem with losing, sack up and win. at altitude, everyone is under the same disadvantage.
FAIL
"As expected, the Grizzly distance crew dominated the mile event qualifying all six participating athletes to the finals. Led by Brian Medigovich (San Luis Obispo, Calif.), Ryan McNiff (Los Almos, N.M.) finished just behind him to lock up the second automatic qualifier spot.
Reuben Mwei (Kapsabet, Kenya), Anthony Gauthier (Orleans, France) and Braun blocked out the second heat with a moderate pace and finished with slower times than the first heat to help teammate Calmes qualify in the last spot by time."
"The now 14-time All-American and five-time national champion took the first four laps at a seemly “easy” pace but gained ground on leaders with every step. However, on the fifth lap, the senior kicked it into high gear and never looked back, celebrating with the home crowd on the last lap who chanted “A-S-C”."
Sounds like ASC just toyed with the field.
Give respect where it is due, Adams has a hell of a team and they would preform no matter where the meet was.
I agree that it is not fair to host a national championship at altitude, life isn't always fair
If Braun wants to celebrate let him he has had a hell of a career and great example of how much you can improve with a great coach and a lot of hard work.
DII is on the rise this year. Great work to all the athletes who qualified; do your thing.
I have to agree, I was one of the people who didn't run fast enough this year but I'm not too bitter. 4:08 is what it took to get in, normally 4:12low is about what it takes but altitude conversions or not this is the right step for D2 (not hosting @ 5300') but the overall times getting faster across the board. Let's face it, unless the division gets faster as a whole we'll always be laughed at by the bigger fish running in Fayettville this weekend.
Why so bitter guys? I've seen Braun, Medigovich, and other Adams guys run just as well at sea level. I do recall Braun taking a huge risk against the likes of Rupp and Lagat. A little more experience and he may have been able to hold on.
Howard Roark Laughed wrote:
I agree that it is not fair to host a national championship at altitude, life isn't always fair.
Really? Wow! I hope that you don't plan on becoming either a coach OR a parent any time soon! You still have a lot of growing up to do on your own.
I was at the meet last weekend and it was apparent to me that Adams would have won that meet no matter where it was held. They consisted of half of the field in the mile/5k. It would have been a disaster if they didn't win. There were only 3 non-altitude athletes in the 5k and two of them scored. It seems to me that the altitude athletes are just better because the non-altitude runners couldn't even qualify for the meet.
ABQ wrote:
I was at the meet last weekend and it was apparent to me that Adams would have won that meet no matter where it was held. They consisted of half of the field in the mile/5k. It would have been a disaster if they didn't win. There were only 3 non-altitude athletes in the 5k and two of them scored. It seems to me that the altitude athletes are just better because the non-altitude runners couldn't even qualify for the meet.
You should mention that a significant number of DII teams don't participate in indoor track.