Paul Kipsiele Koech 5th fastest indoor 5k in history

Watched it live on German television. Komen reached 4800 metres at 12:32:xx before he came almost to a full stop. Koech was like WTF?! and slowed down a bit, too. Winner's time would have been considerably faster without that incident.

and we get excited about Rupp's 13:18

5er wrote:

and we get excited about Rupp's 13:18

Correct. We do.

Those times are pretty damn fast That is a PR for him indoor or outdoor. Same with Komen.

I think running 800m and up on an indoor track is not as much of a disadvatntage when compared to outdoor track as people think. Soon the indoor 3k 5k records will be close too outdoor records.

Some of these guys are 5 "5 and shorter. The way KB is built, I can see him running very fast on a 200m banked indoor track

This means that Rupp is obviously in 13:03 shape.

What kind of a comment is that to make??

Rupp is part of an exciting emergence of AMERICAN BORN western athletes who will hopefully be challenging at the top level.... I hope that some day you could string 1 even 2 K's together in under 6 minutes.

bangmotrunner wrote:

What kind of a comment is that to make??

Rupp is part of an exciting emergence of AMERICAN BORN western athletes who will hopefully be challenging at the top level.... I hope that some day you could string 1 even 2 K's together in under 6 minutes.

And Koech is part of an exciting emergence of KENYAN-BORN African athletes that win international races.

except smart runners don't peak for indoors

Why Aint Fat Joe on You List wrote:

I think running 800m and up on an indoor track is not as much of a disadvatntage when compared to outdoor track as people think. Soon the indoor 3k 5k records will be close too outdoor records.

Some of these guys are 5 "5 and shorter. The way KB is built, I can see him running very fast on a 200m banked indoor track

i'd disagree

200m track is still a long way whether you are a giant or a runt

theoretically, i get the indoor/outdoor conversion at

~101/102

( for 200/400 races add 0.10 - 0.20 to initial time, for the banking, then apply conversion )

komen looked capable of 13'00 flat if he'd run the full distance ( only needed a 28s last 200 which is 56s pace )

that means he is in

~ 12'52 shape outdoors & maybe even quicker if the race had been geared at 12'55i pace rather than 13'00i

now, he's listed as only having a 1'47+ pb from nairobi, but i'd rate his speed similar/better to gus choge who went 1'44 last year

if komen is currently capable of say

1'44.0 - 1'45.0 /12'50

from :

he is potentially capable of these outdoors this year :

12'50.0

with

1'45.0 ->3'28.58 , 7'22.98

1'44.5 ->3'27.96 , 7'22.45

1'44.0 ->3'27.35 , 7'21.93

he can smash thru 3'30 by a long way & get 2nd fastest 3k in history if gets right races with decent wabbits

i forgot to add 2k times :

4'45.25 , 4'44.62 , 4'44.00

he can get the 2k wr, but it woud be pretty damn tough !

he has similar background now over 5k as saidi-sief, but likely quicker 800m speed ( sief was likely 1'46 - 1'47 ) & see his clockings for 2k/3k as a yardstick

Cornish hen wrote:

This means that Rupp is obviously in 13:03 shape.

Rupp ran 13:14:21 (cold adjusted to 13:05)

"it's the difference between 13:05 and 13:15"

-- Alberto Salazar

theoretically, i get the indoor/outdoor conversion at ~101/102

-- ventolin^2

So Rupp's cold adjusted indoor time is equivalent to sub 12:58 outdoors.

Basically the model you're using implies that if two people are equal over 10k and 800m, they would be the same over 3k. Mathematically that may seem convenient, but I think there are other factors that come into play.

To give an extreme example, if you take two guys who could run a 2:20 marathon and one could run 13:50 and the other could run 14:10 for a 5k, I don't think it's necessarily the case that the 13:50 guy would take the 14:10 guy in a 40. Different factors (VO2 max, anaerobic threshold, raw leg speed, ability to handle fatigue on legs) carry different relative weights in different events, and the precise mix is very likely not the exact same for all people.

13'15 with a cold worth 13'05 unafflicted ?!

that really is plucking a figure out of nowhere

i'd go more with winner bernie, who is pretty consistent day-in-day-out who ran 13'11 ->~ 13'03

i see no problem with that number

not sure who'd be interested in a 40k race between the 2 when their M is identical, except that the 13'50 guy woud be fractionally favoured over the 14'10 one

it is virtually impossible to run 5k/10k & M simultaneous shape to best possible time ( i've only really found paula capable of it when she ran 2"17 ), so 2"20 doesn't usually predict on from a current 5k/10k time

fwiw

2"20 off

13'50 ->29'27.49 , 1"06'14 , 2"12'09.9

14'00 ->29'40.99 , 1"06'27 , 2"12'11.9

14'10 ->29'54.49 , 1"06'41 , 2"12'13.9

4s favouritism for 13'50 guy over 14'10 one over 40k race

that 101/102 conversion adds a whole new light on overall 3k list :

7:24.90 Daniel Komen 1 Budapest 06/02/1998

7:26.15 Haile Gebrselassie 1 Karlsruhe 25/01/1998

7:26.80 Haile Gebrselassie 1 Karlsruhe 24/01/1999

7:27.93 Daniel Komen 1 Stuttgart 01/02/1998

7:28.29 Haile Gebrselassie 1 Karlsruhe 28/02/2003

7:29.34 Haile Gebrselassie 1 Karlsruhe 15/02/2004

7:30.51 Kenenisa Bekele 1 Stockholm 20/02/2007

7:30.72 Haile Gebrselassie 1 Stuttgart 04/02/1996

7:30.77 Kenenisa Bekele 1 Stuttgart 31/01/2004

7:31.09 Tariku Bekele 1 Stuttgart 02/02/2008

7:31.25 Haile Gebrselassie 1 Liévin 21/02/1999

7:31.27 Haile Gebrselassie 1 Karlsruhe 14/02/1997

7:31.70 Haile Gebrselassie 1 Stockholm 19/02/1998

7:32.43 Bernard Lagat 1 Birmingham, GBR 17/02/2007

7:32.69 Markos Geneti 2 Birmingham, GBR 17/02/2007

7:32.80 Paul Kipsiele Koech 1 Stockholm 18/02/2009

7:32.9 Haile Gebrselassie 1 + Birmingham 21/02/2003

7:32.98 Alberto García 1 Sevilla 22/02/2003

7:32.99 Eliud Kipchoge 1 Stuttgart 06/02/2010

7:33.07 Eliud Kipchoge 1 Karlsruhe 29/01/2006

7:33.09 Augustine Kiprono Choge 3 Birmingham, GBR 17/02/2007

7:33.46 Paul Kipsiele Koech 4 GBR 17/02/2007

7:33.73 Hicham El Guerrouj 1 + Liévin 23/02/2003