http://dathanritzenhein.competitor.com/2010/01/16/different-training/#more-181
Pretty cool I thought.
Pretty cool I thought.
Good post
Yeah I just noticed Ritz responded on the blog a couple of times to people with questions about his training. Awesome stuff.
one more thing... it looks like he is running an indoor 5k next weekend at UW.
The volume combined with the intensity he was doing in high school is unreal.
Big G wrote:
The volume combined with the intensity he was doing in high school is unreal.
QFE.
Yeah, it's amazing what we can get away with when we're young. I didn't even realize running could make you sore until I was 19, and I didn't realize it was a common thing until I was 21. Now I live with soreness.
This should dispose the myth that the Buffs never do doubles...
Here's a workout I imagine Ritznehein never did under Hudson, even if he were training for some races on the track (and this workout was done sometime soon before going to Berlin):
under AlSal:
Friday: AM. 3 miles warm-up, drills and strides. 3 x 600m,400m,300m,200m with 300m recovery averaging 1:27, 57, 41, 26. 3 mile cool down. PM 5 miles easy
And this one from high school was crazy too:
Wednesday: AM 7 miles easy on trails. PM 3 mile warm-up 10 minutes of stair running. 32 x 400m in 66 with 400m jog. 8×50 meter explosions. 2 mile cool down. (longest day ever!)
That HS workout is UNREAL.
irun wrote:
Here's a workout I imagine Ritznehein never did under Hudson, even if he were training for some races on the track (and this workout was done sometime soon before going to Berlin):
under AlSal:
Friday: AM. 3 miles warm-up, drills and strides. 3 x 600m,400m,300m,200m with 300m recovery averaging 1:27, 57, 41, 26. 3 mile cool down. PM 5 miles easy
And this one from high school was crazy too:
Wednesday: AM 7 miles easy on trails. PM 3 mile warm-up 10 minutes of stair running. 32 x 400m in 66 with 400m jog. 8×50 meter explosions. 2 mile cool down. (longest day ever!)
Thanks for posting. I really enjoy getting a look into the training of some of these guys.
Some of those workouts are unbelievable, for sure. But I am wondering, was anyone else a little surprised that he said he's consistently stayed at 100mpw over the years, even, presumably, in 2007-2008 when he was marathon training? Isn't a 100mpw a little on the light side for a world class marathoner?
"but I wont elaborate to much since those are my secrets still."
Sounds like Alberto has already corrupted him.
NavyMaster wrote:
Thanks for posting. I really enjoy getting a look into the training of some of these guys.
Some of those workouts are unbelievable, for sure. But I am wondering, was anyone else a little surprised that he said he's consistently stayed at 100mpw over the years, even, presumably, in 2007-2008 when he was marathon training? Isn't a 100mpw a little on the light side for a world class marathoner?
Most of that is mainly due to injury.
does not share with others wrote:
"but I wont elaborate to much since those are my secrets still."
Sounds like Alberto has already corrupted him.
The Africans enjoy an aura of mystique about their precise training methods, which I doubt really differ that much from the basics. Why shouldn't an American group enjoying success do what they can to casually promote the same mystique, at whatever level they can? Like anything else, you start small and it builds on itself.
stupid question here:
did ritz have a running journal in high school? im assuming that he did since theres no way he could remember a sample week from that long ago. hmmm
I couldn't pull a precise week from memory, but I could come up with sample weeks from most seasons with decent accuracy, and I definitely still remember some of my better workouts. I think this is a rough picture of what he was doing, mileages may not be exact. Some of those 7/7 days may have 5/9s or 6/8s or something like that, etc.
100 miles a week, with the intensity of his workouts, isn't too light when considering the fact that Ritz probably has 35-40k miles in his legs over the last 10 years. You run 100miles a week for 10 years, you'll be fit aerobically. Although it is a good question because Ritz's marathon issues (tanking/bonking out) would suggest that maybe he does need a little more aerobic base. I'm no exercise scientist though, so wouldn't be able to answer it. He said he does a long run once every two weeks though, perhaps that run is 25+ miles. Who knows though?
NavyMaster wrote:
Isn't a 100mpw a little on the light side for a world class marathoner?
I kept a running journal in highschool, and I knew a few other people who did. It wouldn't be too surprising if someone as serious about running as Ritz is had one.Of course I for some reason didn't write down workout recoveries ever so I can't figure out what I was really doing back then.
Ender wrote:
stupid question here:
did ritz have a running journal in high school? im assuming that he did since theres no way he could remember a sample week from that long ago. hmmm
The HS workout is about 29-30 miles in one day. There's no way he did that.
AM = 7 miles
PM =
Warm-up = 3 miles
10 min stairs = 1.25 miles
32 x 400 with 400 jogs = 16 miles
8 x 50m = .25 miles
Cool down = 2 miles
Grand total = 29.5 miles
There's no question he did that workout--none. In the late 1960s, at Sheepshead Bay High School in Brooklyn, on occasion a few of us would run workouts of that magnitude, although obviously not at that pace. One of us, Jack Levy, was particularly insane, and one week in his senior year, during Spring break, he ran 302 miles in one week. (If you think this is a lie, write to Marc Bloom at the Harrier and ask him--he was around then and he will testify to this.) I'm certain we were not alone in during crazy stuff (one workout I remember quite distinctly was 100x220 in 37-38), and we were not particularly good.
realman wrote:
The HS workout is about 29-30 miles in one day. There's no way he did that.
AM = 7 miles
PM =
Warm-up = 3 miles
10 min stairs = 1.25 miles
32 x 400 with 400 jogs = 16 miles
8 x 50m = .25 miles
Cool down = 2 miles
Grand total = 29.5 miles
NavyMaster wrote:
Thanks for posting. I really enjoy getting a look into the training of some of these guys.
Some of those workouts are unbelievable, for sure. But I am wondering, was anyone else a little surprised that he said he's consistently stayed at 100mpw over the years, even, presumably, in 2007-2008 when he was marathon training? Isn't a 100mpw a little on the light side for a world class marathoner?
Ritz has said on his blog that he has run up to 120 miles per week as well during certain phases of training, and I can remember Hudson saying he did 24-mile long runs at a ridiculously fast pace to simulate the marathon as part of his training. That base training for the marathon, the altitude tent/house, and some specific sharpening are what led to his stellar summer track season last year. But his average very well may be 100 over the years. He also blogged separately that 100-110 seemed his "sweet" spot.