Brett Gotcher 2:10:36 Debute, enough said....
Brett Gotcher 2:10:36 Debute, enough said....
I think this may be one of the top 5 USA debut's all time.
Hall-2:08:23
Al Sal-2:09:41
Culpepper-2:09:41
Are the only ones I can think of that were faster
Other notables
Greg Meyer 2:13
Bill Rodgers 2:26
Abdi 2:17
Meb 2:12
Ritz 2:14
Josh Rohatinsky debuted in 2:15:22 at the 08 OT.
Was Dave Morris' 2:09 a debut? No matter, this was an excellent debut today.
Debutantes ball
2:08:24 2:06:17 Ryan Hall (24) London 2007 (1)
2:09:41 2:08:51 Alberto Salazar (22) New York 1980 (1)
2:09:41 2:09:41 Alan Culpepper (30) Chicago 2002 (2)
2:10:35 2:10:35 Brett Gotcher (25) Houston 2010 (7)
2:11:13 2:11:13 Rudy Chapa (26) New York 1983 (2)
2:11:17 2:11:17 Todd Williams (28) Chicago 1997 (3)
2:11:35 2:11:35 Dan Browne (27) Twin Cities 2002 (4)
2:12:06 2:10:04 Pat Petersen (23) New York 1983
2:12:12 2:08:47 Bob Kempainen (25) Twin Cites 1991 (3)
2:12:27 2:12:27 Fernando Cabada (24) Fukuoka 2006 (9)
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2:12:35 2:09:15 Meb Keflezighi (27) New York 2002 (8)
2:13:00 2:13:00 Jorge Torres (29) New York 2009
2:13:07 2:08:59 Greg Meyer(25) Detroit 1980
2:13:21 2:13:21 Steve Ortiz (22) 1981
2:13:24 2:13:05 Mark Coogan (27) Boston 1994
2:13:25 2:13:22 Tom Raunig (21) Nike 1981
2:13:29 2:12:23 George Malley (27) New York 1982
2:14:01 2:10:00 Dathan Ritzenhein (23) New York 2006
2:14:13 2:14:13 Kyle Baker (26) Chicago 2002
2:14:15 2:14:15 Brad Hauser (25) St Paul 2002
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2:14:21 2:14:21 Mark Nenow (30) New York 1988
2:14:23 2:14:23 John Hunsaker (23) Tempe 1979
2:14:30 2:14:08 Ryan Shay (23) Chicago 2002
2:14:40 2:10:26 Craig Virgin (23) San Diego 1979
2:14:57 2:14:57 Don Johns (26) Duluth 1991
2:15:11 2:15:11 Mike Morgan (26) Chicago 2006
2:15:15 2:14:06 Steve Bolt (25) Rocket City 1980
2:15:16 2:11:32 Paul Cummings (28) St George 1981
2:15:22 2:15:22 Josh Rohatinsky (25) OT 2007
2:15:28 2:11:38 Paul Gompers (19) Rocket City 1983
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2:15:28 2:14:56 Nate Jenkins (25) Austin 2006
2:15:29 2:15:29 Luke Watson (28) Twin Cities 2009
2:15:47 2:15:47 Mike McGuire (26) Detroit 1981
2:15:50 2:12:09 Jason Hartmann (25) Chicago 2006
2:15:51 2:11:25 Randy Thomas (24) New York
....
2:16:58 2:13:46 Nick Arciniaga (23) Chicago 2006
2:17:09 2:08:55 Abdi Abdirahman (27) New York 2004
2:26:xx 2:12:17 Steve Spence (23) Baltimore 1985
unconfirmed
2:13:02 2:11:40 Rod Dehaven Chicago (32) 1998 2:14 1996
notbad wrote:
Brett Gotcher 2:10:36 Debute, enough said....
Nope. Not enough said: VERY impressive!!
Sorry for the confusion, the parentheticals indicate contemporaneous rank, not place.
2:08:24 2:06:17 Ryan Hall (24) London 2007 (1)
2:09:41 2:08:51 Alberto Salazar (22) New York 1980 (1)
2:09:41 2:09:41 Alan Culpepper (30) Chicago 2002 (2)
2:10:35 2:10:35 Brett Gotcher (25) Houston 2010 (4)
2:11:13 2:11:13 Rudy Chapa (26) New York 1983 (2)
2:11:17 2:11:17 Todd Williams (28) Chicago 1997 (3)
2:11:35 2:11:35 Dan Browne (27) Twin Cities 2002 (4)
2:12:06 2:10:04 Pat Petersen (23) New York 1983 (3)
2:12:12 2:08:47 Bob Kempainen (25) Twin Cites 1991 (4)
2:12:27 2:12:27 Fernando Cabada (24) Fukuoka 2006 (9)
Damn, I never gave two shits for Brett Gotcher but that is a fine race, debut or not. Well done young man.
Malmo
Didn't Chapa debut on the west coast? And what was Martin's first marathon?
Anyway Gotcher about what you'd expect:
Gothcher 4.6 28.5 = 2:11 2.11 x 1:02 = 2:10:40
Geb 4.6 x 27 = 2:04.2 2.11 x 59' = 2:04
Interesting that 16 of the top 35 on this list have their debut as their best time. I wonder how many of those ran subsequent marathons?
malmo wrote:
Debutantes ball
2:08:24 2:06:17 Ryan Hall (24) London 2007 (1)
2:09:41 2:08:51 Alberto Salazar (22) New York 1980 (1)
2:09:41 2:09:41 Alan Culpepper (30) Chicago 2002 (2)
2:10:35 2:10:35 Brett Gotcher (25) Houston 2010 (7)
2:11:13 2:11:13 Rudy Chapa (26) New York 1983 (2)
2:11:17 2:11:17 Todd Williams (28) Chicago 1997 (3)
2:11:35 2:11:35 Dan Browne (27) Twin Cities 2002 (4)
2:12:06 2:10:04 Pat Petersen (23) New York 1983
2:12:12 2:08:47 Bob Kempainen (25) Twin Cites 1991 (3)
2:12:27 2:12:27 Fernando Cabada (24) Fukuoka 2006 (9)
-10-
2:12:35 2:09:15 Meb Keflezighi (27) New York 2002 (8)
2:13:00 2:13:00 Jorge Torres (29) New York 2009
2:13:07 2:08:59 Greg Meyer(25) Detroit 1980
2:13:21 2:13:21 Steve Ortiz (22) 1981
2:13:24 2:13:05 Mark Coogan (27) Boston 1994
2:13:25 2:13:22 Tom Raunig (21) Nike 1981
2:13:29 2:12:23 George Malley (27) New York 1982
2:14:01 2:10:00 Dathan Ritzenhein (23) New York 2006
2:14:13 2:14:13 Kyle Baker (26) Chicago 2002
2:14:15 2:14:15 Brad Hauser (25) St Paul 2002
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2:14:21 2:14:21 Mark Nenow (30) New York 1988
2:14:23 2:14:23 John Hunsaker (23) Tempe 1979
2:14:30 2:14:08 Ryan Shay (23) Chicago 2002
2:14:40 2:10:26 Craig Virgin (23) San Diego 1979
2:14:57 2:14:57 Don Johns (26) Duluth 1991
2:15:11 2:15:11 Mike Morgan (26) Chicago 2006
2:15:15 2:14:06 Steve Bolt (25) Rocket City 1980
2:15:16 2:11:32 Paul Cummings (28) St George 1981
2:15:22 2:15:22 Josh Rohatinsky (25) OT 2007
2:15:28 2:11:38 Paul Gompers (19) Rocket City 1983
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2:15:28 2:14:56 Nate Jenkins (25) Austin 2006
2:15:29 2:15:29 Luke Watson (28) Twin Cities 2009
2:15:47 2:15:47 Mike McGuire (26) Detroit 1981
2:15:50 2:12:09 Jason Hartmann (25) Chicago 2006
2:15:51 2:11:25 Randy Thomas (24) New York
....
2:16:58 2:13:46 Nick Arciniaga (23) Chicago 2006
2:17:09 2:08:55 Abdi Abdirahman (27) New York 2004
2:26:xx 2:12:17 Steve Spence (23) Baltimore 1985
unconfirmed
2:13:02 2:11:40 Rod Dehaven Chicago (32) 1998 2:14 1996
Malmo, would I be wrong to respect DeHaven's runs more than most of those listed?
"Debut"
I thought that jackass, "Whoops!" had melted away. Sadly, he persists.
Yeah..Every year someone comingup.. 2 years late is gone..
Every year new "COACH" come.. take all USA TOP and change all.... When Is time to compete ad where? You got 1st $ then results... I remember somebody got around $75K after run 2h16...(male).. SO WHY training hard..I have what I want
there's no love in USA runners.. all season, all for fun, Maybe few in between like Goucher(couple)Culpepper(couple)but once get comfort that's for the Athlete..
USA Athlete HAVE - Sponsor, Comfort, Materials, short life
in Carreer, fast transition 5K,10K to Marathon,(PRESSION) Always suppost chance "COACH" like many USA Athletes are over(COACH) and many Coach need they let go, USA Athlete run without exchange... like 2day IF check Mumbai Half Marathon, I love Shalane but the 8th female place in Airtel Delhi Marathon finish 1h09'32.. So few second ahead Shalane, Example.. who's the smart who push Kate Macgregor in NY Marathon.(come ON) about Kim Smith(NZ) The ("COACH")
dream and entry the athlete..better he wakeup quick..
Ps Deena and Hall need exchange no compete back yard..It's NICE to watch this guys.. but they are more than they know
the great Athlete always showup in big races ouside the fence..
just a note. greg
Wow. This is like a combination of Sol Richards and a retarded gerbil trying to write.
I realize you are foreign, but wow ...
someone please translate. i have no idea what is going on here
Greg wrote:
Yeah..Every year a new American rising star comes up and 2 years later is gone. Every year they change their coach and after placing in the American championships, they disappear. They rarely compete(?) or never compete outside the U.S. They get big time money for mediocre results, great training support, a comfortable life, and then all the incentive to train hard evaporates, and their careers are short. They do not love the sport, other than maybe Goucher and Culpepper, who had long careers (?). They shift very quickly from track races to the half and marathon without maximizing their potential at those distances, Shalane Flanagan being a case in point. She dropped her coach after setting American records and medaling, she then underperformed for one year and all of a sudden shifted to the half marathon and marathon. Her half time is barely adequate for a 30:22 10k runner. I love Shalane but the 8th female place in the Airtel Delhi Marathon finished in 1:09:32.
just a note. greg
ROFL I had forgotten Sol Richards.
newname wrote:
Wow. This is like a combination of Sol Richards and a retarded gerbil trying to write.
I realize you are foreign, but wow ...
You are missing Mark Finucane's 2:11:55 from Houston Tenneco (1984), the No.3 American marathon debut at the time.
Pretty sure Eric Mack ran a sub 2:12 at Chicago a few years back for his debut?