In an interview with Running Times, Shalane said her longest LR was 12mi before she joined Cook's group.
Amazing she could win bronze in the 10k with just a 12mi LR.
In an interview with Running Times, Shalane said her longest LR was 12mi before she joined Cook's group.
Amazing she could win bronze in the 10k with just a 12mi LR.
Carl Spackler wrote:
In an interview with Running Times, Shalane said her longest LR was 12mi before she joined Cook's group.
Amazing she could win bronze in the 10k with just a 12mi LR.
She was with Cook's group when she won bronze.
Slightly off topic, but how much should Flanagan focus on attaining the 10 km times of Radcliffe? I know it's a moot point, but what if Wanjiru decided to not run the marathon until he had beaten Geb's 10 km PR? Or if Clayton knocked himself out trying to keep up with Clarke on the track?
Let's just be honest. Basically she said she never wants to run the marathon seriously. Just maybe take the money it offers at the end of her career.
I know it's a moot point, but what if Wanjiru decided to not run the marathon until he had beaten Geb's 10 km PR?
Maybe he'd be able to beat his marathon time then?
Carl Spackler wrote:
Amazing she could win bronze in the 10k with just a 12mi LR.
That's what I was thinking when I read this. But remember the training video that was send around letsrun a in 08 or 09? She basically worked out in a ciruit for hours. So maybe she didn't do one continuous run over 12 mi, but it seems like she might have been doing something like 8mi steady, 20-30min core circuit and 8mi tempo basically without a break. That's worth more than an 18mi long run anyway. I don't really know her specific training, but this is the impression I got.
It does concern me when she moves up to the marathon. One would think it's going to take her a while to build up a base and she's way behind most other marathon runners here. Maybe her natural talent/genes will be enough to overcome this.
Carl Spackler: Amazing she could win bronze in the 10k with just a 12mi LR.
BostonBound: That's what I was thinking when I read this.
Amazing y'all think
12M long run + 10k bronze = amazing
instead of
12M long run + 10k bronze = gee, I didn't know as much about training & racing as I thought
Indeed
nsmb, old and slow wrote:
Carl Spackler: Amazing she could win bronze in the 10k with just a 12mi LR.BostonBound: That's what I was thinking when I read this.
Amazing y'all think
12M long run + 10k bronze = amazing
instead of
12M long run + 10k bronze = gee, I didn't know as much about training & racing as I thought
No, what's amazing is that you think this proves some weird theory about training that you have.
It is amazing that someone can reach that level with that kind of a long run, I guarantee you that everyone else in that final ran many long runs longer than that.
Now, this does not mean that she would've won gold if she'd done a long run of 18 miles every week, maybe the way she was training was the best for her. I've seen a few high level runners who just don't respond to that kind of work, but they are the exception, and they have been mostly milers.
However, whatever the reason, her being a strange exception to training rules (likely), or her winning bronze while being under trained (unlikely), it is an amazing thing.
Considering her mother was a great marathon runner, I highly doubt she would not be built for marathon training. So I'm on the side of being surprised she hasn't done more than 12 miles in training.
Grete Waitz won the first marathon she raced (New York), beating the world record by over 2 minutes (2:32:30).
Her longest run before that race was 12 miles.
ref:
http://www.marathonguide.com/features/firstmarathons/index.cfm?Story=Waitz
eojtlc wrote:
It is amazing that someone can reach that level with that kind of a long run, I guarantee you that everyone else in that final ran many long runs longer than that.
I can guarantee you don't have much experience with world-class runners.
Not many of us do, Malmo. And some of us would like to learn. What part of his statement did you have a problem with? Or are you just pointing out the relative unimportance of the traditional long run?
edumacator wrote:
Not many of us do, Malmo. And some of us would like to learn. What part of his statement did you have a problem with? Or are you just pointing out the relative unimportance of the traditional long run?
There are dozens and dozens of threads on long runs and the misguided notion of their "importance." For me to hear that a world class distance runner doesn't run farther than 12 miles -- especially a woman -- doesn't even raise an eyebrow. It should be a yawner for you, as well.
This is coming from a guy who underperformed in the marathon. Now we know why.
She looks exactly like Paula, why wouldn't she mimic every aspect of her?
Achieve Paula's times, achieve Gold Medals.
"This is coming from a guy who underperformed in the marathon. Now we know why.
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I believe Malmo has run around 2:12 for a marathon. I think he might agree that he thinks he could have run faster just like most elite runners. Please share with us your best marathon performance so we can assess your learned opinion.
George ran 1:01:43 for the half, which predicts a 2:09:49 marathon, but his best was 2:12:23. Personally, I'm 6 minutes faster in the marathon than what is predicted, and YES, I do emphasize the long run.
malmo,
what world class runner (10k and above) doesn't run a long run at least 12 miles?
Two things are missing here
1) she said BEFORE joining Cook, wasnt that a long time ago? so maybe she ran plenty of runs over 12 miles leading up to her bronze.
2) consistent high mileage is more important than the long run. maybe she was doing 90mpw but without runs exceeding 12 miles. I doubt this is the case but its always possible.