TEGENCAMPS BLOOD PLATELET THERAPY NOW BANNED BY WADA

How exactly would they enforce a supposed ban on this therapy? Aside from catching an athlete in the doctors office with the injection happening, what detection method would they have?

I just had a PRP injection in my shoulder last Friday. I have a 75% tear of my supraspinatis tendon. I have been dealing with the pain and lack of mobility since last spring. Probably happened due to training for leadville 100mtb race. (lots of shoulder shock). Hurt after running 1 hour plus. I am really hopping this fixes it. If it is performance enhancing it will take weeks to months to still heal. As of 6 days post injection I still cannot lift my arm over my head. It is worse right now than pre injection. This is way better than going through surgery. At 57 years old I would much rather go through this than under the knife.

fred wrote:

http://www.webmd.com/news/20091216/faq-on-actovegin

That explains how they would be able trace actovegin. But my understanding of Platelet therapy is that your own blood is extracted, spun and then the platelets are reinjected back minutes later. How could you test for this?

Honestly, between "platelet therapy," the emergence of EPO in the early 1990s, altitude tents, and Lagat's ambiguous positive test, is the credibility of every American sub-13:00 in question??? I have my suspicions, proof or not.

YOu really are a silly old fossil. Should they ban orthotics then too? What about ice? or physical therapy? Performance enhanicing means it makes you better than your training suggests. PRP just makes you be able to let all your traiing come to fruition.

justintherunner wrote:PRP just makes you be able to let all your traiing come to fruition.

That's true if you are injecting it into an injured tendon and trying to speed recovery.

But it seems possible (I admit I don't know much about it) that PRP therapy could also speed recovery of the kind of minor muscular damage done by hard training. In other words, an athlete could use this therapy every couple of days to recover more quickly from ordinary training, and conceivably train harder than otherwise possible, by use of a medical procedure. If true (and again, I have no idea) this would be a significant gray area. After all, one of the effects that steroids have on endurance athletes is quicker recovery times.

My guess is that this was what WADA was seeking to do when it outlawed injecting platelets into muscles, while allowing injections into tendons.

I believe Tegenkamp used the therapy to treat a damage joint, which was legal then and legal now and not really a gray area.

There is no way you want this injection multiple times. You are incredibly sore after for days. I have heard that the injection for plantar fasciatus is the worst.

estesrunner wrote:

There is no way you want this injection multiple times. You are incredibly sore after for days. I have heard that the injection for plantar fasciatus is the worst.

Exactly. You really can't do much for days after. I had them in my stomach to try and deal with post-op sports hernia probloms and it was some of the worst pain of my life.

Like I said, I don't know much about it. Just trying to understand the WADA "logic."

In all this discussion, no one has mentioned Salazar's use through theraputic exemption on the Thyriod Medicaion, which masks HGH and EPO and is essentially the best way to inject hormones to get more energy to train hard.

Two recent studies have suggest that the Houston Dr. Alberto uses and the people in Portland absolutely know that this Thyriod Medication is cheating and all his athletes use it, so Begley, Goucher, and Rupp should all have TAINTED results! T

This is the real deal and does way more to product Olympic births than PRP, folks and Albert has cheated this sport since he took HGH and Deca in the 70s to win NYC!! Those who think otherwise have to know Alberto would be criminal if not for his FOP status in the Nike World!!

Alberto absolutely cheats and so do every single one of his athletes, why would the very ethical Dan Browne walk away when he found out that the thyriod medication was in reality better than steriods and epo?

It's pretty obvious to me you have no idea what you're talking about, but I'll ask anyway...do you have a source for the statement, "..Thyroid Medication, which masks HGH and EPO..."?

I can find no information that indicates that thyroid medications of any kind function as "masking agents" for ANY drug, including HGH and EPO. There may be some performance enhancing benefits to the use of thyroid drugs, but that is not your assertion.

Further, HGH was first isolated and used in human trials starting in 1981, and was not in broad use until it was artificially synthesised around 1985. So your assertion that Albert (sic) was using HGH in the 70s is patently false.

Jesus, what a waste of time. Just to be completely clear, you're a liar at worst, you're inaccurate at best, and you're a f***ing idiot for sure.

Eye patches must go! Definitely PE-Things...

Seriously though...wtf

This seems to miss the point - you use the therapy when there is substantial restriction of normal healing because there is little healing/circulation in such sites. In the muscle there is lots of blood flow.

Geez this topic has lots of bozos, my default assumption is that all of these silly posts were trolls, but some where seem to believe their own speculation.

OK, does that mean an ice bath is performance enhancing as well?

The human version of HGH was isolated in 1981, but cadaver growth hormone has been in medical use since the 1950's.

I am not saying whether Alberto used it or not, just pointing out that it was around in the 1970's.

Platelets are a specific cell type in normal blood. They don't carry oxygen, so they don't provide the normal advantage of "blood doping". Moreover, the re-injection is into tissue, not the blood system. The (claimed) advantage of platelet injections is thought to derive from their special ability to secrete a variety of "growth factors", such as PDGF, FGF, TGF-beta, which are normal protein components of blood that regulate the growth and development of many types of cells. Injecting a large bolus of platelets into an area of injured tissue, the logic goes, is a way of promoting the natural healing process with a wide spectrum of the body's own healing agents. It is legitimate medical practice to promote healing by activating these pathways.

The gains should be short term, since platelets (which don't have a nucleus) live only a week or less, and local (since the platelet-derived factors are used and degraded mostly where they are produced, at the injection site).

However, it should also be acknowledged that Epo (erythropoetin) is also a growth factor, although specific for producing red blood cells (erythrocytes), which is normally present (like the platelet factors) at moderate levels in blood. Epo is a hugely beneficial factor for cancer patients, whose ability to survive their drug regimens depends on replenishing the blood cells killed by the drugs (which target dividing cells). However, elevating Epo levels in normal persons produces unfair benefits in muscular performance, specifically by increasing blood oxygen-carrying capacity.

Similarly, it is definitely possible that a regular program of platelet injections, or cocktails of platelet-derived factors, could boost performance, as for example by boosting recovery during heavy training (which is/was a common motivation of ballplayers using steroids, indeed McGwire's open justification for using the now-banned steroid precursor androstenedione).

Teg cannot be justifiably doubted for his sub13 run, and medicinal use of local platelet injections should continue to be accepted practice for injury recovery in anyone, athletes included. But i'd argue that there also should be a pro-active control system put in place to intercept possible abuse of systemic platelet boosting, at least until evidence showing a lack of efficacy for performance is demonstrated.

Nice, Lowell.

Also, PEDs give you an unfair advantage over those that do not take it. Platelet therapy does not, it just helps even the score for those that are diminished by injury.

Can somebody post a link to a source that shows that Tegenkamp had this procedure done in 2009? Thanks in advance.