With the obvious exception of New Mexico, there are an amazing number of returning runners in the top 15 NCAA Men's teams for the 2010 Championships. In fact, only Oregon, Alabama, William & Mary had seniors in their top 5 and they each had only two. Should be fun next year to see who develops and becomes premiere teams. Could be as interesting as this year.
Missing something..... OK STATE John and Ryan are both SRs.
Girma is gonna fail out and German is gonna go pro. They lose 4 of their top 5
Good Catch and somewhat obvious! My mistake and thanks for catching it. OK State may reload too!! It is pretty easy to recruit off of a national championship. Even though it didn't work that well this year, I like that Coach Smith brought German back slowly and let him recover from the summer. That stuff pays dividends down the road. That being said, he did almost let Vin and the rest of the boys run it up his address.
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I like that Coach Smith brought German back slowly and let him recover from the summer. That stuff pays dividends down the road.
Let him recover?!?!?!? He haid himself that German has been more or less injured the whole season! Why was he racing at all before their regional meet if he was injured the whole season?
Iona had the youngest team out there who finished 8th in a rebuilding year. Should be back on the podium by next year as they return everyone
CU returns top 6 at nats- plus where was Kenyon? Will he be eligible to race next year? If so, they will be pretty good. Lots of good xc next season.
Wisconsin is going to lose Miller and Ryan Gaspar, and Bolas is a senior but has Junior eligibility in XC but might not be a certain return as he is better on the track (3:37, even if in a set up race). Of course the latter two had mediocre races, although they were not likely to be higher than 5th until Miller faltered.
Wisconsin does have a good underclass to rely on, especially with a still-improving freshman as their top finisher (and first FR in the race, I think).
NAU and Stanford will probably be the favorites. With Deigo Estrada in there, it could've gone NAU's way this year. Not many of those top teams will be able to add someone that good to the team they ran at nationals.
For what it's worth, this is what happens when you take out all the runners listed as seniors in the men's race:
A problem comes as some notable teams (oregon and ok state) didn't run 5 non-seniors. I will attempt to fix in some way.
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Name Yr Team Time Pts
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1 JR Chelanga Liberty 28:41.30 --
2 JR McNeill NorthernArizona 29:06.50 1
3 SO Derrick Stanford 29:14.80 2
4 JR Kirui Mississippi 29:24.10 --
5 JR Chipangama NorthernArizona 29:33.10 3
6 JR Ulrey Arkansas 29:37.90 4
7 SO Lowe OklahomaState 29:42.40 --
8 SO Sheridan Iona 29:47.40 5
9 SO Kipchumba Portland 29:50.10 6
10 JR Mead Minnesota 29:50.70 7
11 SO Cheruiyot Auburn 29:55.70 --
12 JR Kigen Liberty 30:01.00 --
13 SO Puskedra Oregon 30:01.90 --
14 SO Hill NorthCarolinaSt. 30:04.60 8
15 SO Kiptoo Alabama 30:08.60 9
16 SO Centrowitz Oregon 30:09.50 --
17 SO Mecheso OklahomaState 30:13.60 --
18 FR Ahmed Wisconsin 30:14.40 --
19 JR Mercado Oregon 30:15.40 --
20 JR Wilhelm William&Mary 30:18.90 --
21 SO Soderberg Iona 30:19.30 10
22 FR Mildenhall Villanova 30:19.40 --
23 JR Heath Stanford 30:19.40 11
24 SO Medrano Syracuse 30:20.70 --
25 SO Collins Virginia 30:22.00 12
26 JR Chenoweth Harvard 30:23.60 --
27 JR Bor IowaState 30:24.20 13
28 SO Thompson Colorado 30:24.60 14
29 JR Samoei Alabama 30:25.20 15
30 SO Mebrahtu IowaState 30:27.20 16
31 FR Haile Arkansas 30:27.80 17
32 JR Leeder FloridaState 30:29.50 18
33 SO Carey Providence 30:29.70 19
34 JR Woodard William&Mary 30:30.20 --
35 SO Riley Stanford 30:30.50 20
36 JR Medina Colorado 30:31.50 21
37 JR Rooney McNeeseState 30:32.60 --
38 JR Ashkettle NorthernArizona 30:32.70 22
39 JR Mercado Oregon 30:34.40 --
40 SO Schwab Oklahoma 30:34.70 23
41 SO Gruenewald BYU 30:35.20 --
42 SO Channon Providence 30:36.60 24
43 FR Osoro Portland 30:36.60 25
44 JR Heineking Virginia 30:36.70 26
45 JR McKenna UtahState 30:36.80 --
46 SO Wacker Colorado 30:37.00 27
47 JR Tyner AirForce 30:37.60 --
48 JR Sorrell Oklahoma 30:39.30 28
49 SO Osman NorthernArizona 30:39.30 29
50 SO Krause Wisconsin 30:39.70 --
51 FR Dunbar Portland 30:41.80 30
52 SO Bayley Iona 30:42.30 31
53 SO Edwards SouthAlabama 30:43.20 --
54 FR Bosshard Colorado 30:44.80 32
55 JR Helmer ArizonaState 30:46.70 33
56 JR McCarthy Providence 30:47.60 34
57 JR Beamish Villanova 30:48.40 --
58 JR Ruttoh EasternKentucky 30:49.50 --
59 JR Lundy Maryland 30:49.50 --
60 SO Williams OhioState 30:49.80 35
61 FR Vandenabeele NorthernIowa 30:50.40 --
62 JR Bor Alabama 30:50.90 36
63 JR Edelman Cornell 30:51.20 --
64 JR Bruce Louisville 30:52.20 --
65 JR Pedersen NorthernArizona 30:52.30 37
66 JR Peacock Wisconsin 30:52.40 --
67 SO Fernandez OklahomaState 30:53.90 --
68 FR Kogel Oklahoma 30:57.50 38
69 FR Rotich UTEP 30:59.20 --
70 FR Williams Oklahoma 31:00.20 39
71 JR Ogden BYU 31:03.20 --
72 JR Brewer Duke 31:03.70 40
73 JR Blankenship Minnesota 31:05.10 41
74 FR Unterreiner Stanford 31:05.30 42
75 JR Kirwa Alabama 31:05.70 43
76 FR Misenti Syracuse 31:06.70 --
77 FR Taye Virginia 31:08.80 44
78 JR Speare Princeton 31:09.50 --
79 JR Gibney Villanova 31:09.80 --
80 JR Weller Iona 31:10.30 45
81 FR Gates William&Mary 31:10.60 --
82 SO Tunningley Texas 31:11.60 46
83 FR Vanhalen Colorado 31:13.00 47
84 JR Shields Purdue 31:13.80 --
85 JR Tribble Virginia 31:13.90 48
86 SO McNally PennState 31:14.00 --
87 FR Gagnon Minnesota 31:15.10 49
88 JR Milloy ArizonaState 31:15.70 50
89 SO Poore Indiana 31:16.40 --
90 SO Vandoorne MichiganState 31:16.50 --
91 JR Miller Virginia 31:18.10 51
92 JR Mayes Oklahoma 31:19.40 52
93 FR Darling Wisconsin 31:20.30 --
94 SO Green OhioState 31:21.10 53
95 JR Chemaoi Mid.Tenn.State 31:21.10 --
96 SO Kostelnik Duke 31:21.60 54
97 SO Belus NorthernArizona 31:21.70 55
98 FR Millington NewMexico 31:23.20 --
99 SO Moldovan NorthCarolinaSt. 31:25.10 56
100 SO Simmons Texas 31:25.10 57
101 SO Stublaski OklahomaState 31:25.20 --
102 JR Lund Duke 31:25.20 58
103 SO Quackenbush Washington 31:26.40 --
104 JR Gerrard NewMexico 31:27.50 --
105 JR Tebo Colorado 31:27.80 59
106 SO McAlary MichiganState 31:27.90 --
107 JR Revelle Virginia 31:28.60 60
108 SO Graves Syracuse 31:28.90 --
109 FR Roys OhioState 31:28.90 61
110 JR Roeder Butler 31:29.40 --
111 SO Dupont Syracuse 31:30.20 --
112 SO Batty BYU 31:32.10 --
113 JR Van ArizonaState 31:34.20 62
114 FR Campbell NorthCarolinaSt. 31:34.50 63
115 SO Limo IowaState 31:37.40 64
116 SO Matthews Providence 31:38.60 65
117 JR Carper IowaState 31:38.90 66
118 JR Hibbs Iona 31:39.40 67
119 JR Lowry Texas 31:40.80 68
120 JR O'Lionard FloridaState 31:41.20 69
121 JR Stolar Duquesne 31:41.20 --
122 SO O'Donoghue-Mcdona Washington 31:42.00 --
123 SO Clark Duke 31:43.00 70
124 JR Sudbury Oklahoma 31:44.60 71
125 SO Mike FloridaState 31:46.30 72
126 FR Keveren Virginia 31:47.10 73
127 SO Hatcher ArizonaState 31:47.90 74
128 FR Miller MichiganState 31:48.30 --
129 SO Rhodes-Devey Texas 31:49.50 75
130 JR Waggoner Duke 31:52.60 76
131 JR Hughes Louisville 31:53.10 --
132 JR Boyer Arkansas 31:55.60 77
133 FR Baumeister Iona 31:56.10 78
134 SO Elliott Arkansas 31:56.50 79
135 JR Engelhardt ArizonaState 31:57.00 80
136 JR Sklodowski William&Mary 31:57.60 --
137 SO Grimes Georgetown 31:57.70 --
138 JR Escareno Brown 32:01.00 --
139 SO Lovelace Louisville 32:03.60 --
140 JR Swarthout Washington 32:06.80 --
141 SO North NorthCarolinaSt. 32:12.50 81
142 JR Murphy-Baum IowaState 32:15.20 82
143 SO Frerker Portland 32:20.20 83
144 JR Dimambro MichiganState 32:21.80 --
145 JR Russell Arkansas 32:22.70 84
146 JR Marpole-Bird Stanford 32:23.50 85
147 FR Nicolls Oklahoma 32:24.70 86
148 FR Rickman FloridaState 32:25.90 87
149 JR Chinchar Arkansas 32:26.70 88
150 FR Meyer OhioState 32:30.50 89
151 JR McFarland Minnesota 32:32.70 90
152 SO Bahr BYU 32:34.10 --
153 FR Dennin Georgetown 32:36.50 --
154 SO Terry Providence 32:41.80 91
155 FR Bywater Washington 32:45.40 --
156 FR Storkel Minnesota 32:57.30 92
157 SO Olson Minnesota 32:59.70 93
158 SO Mackenzie Villanova 33:00.80 --
159 JR Gregg Stanford 33:04.00 94
160 FR Roth Texas 33:04.60 95
161 JR Van Binghamton 33:05.60 --
162 FR Geiger Portland 33:08.70 96
163 FR Leslie OhioState 33:13.70 97
164 FR Happe ArizonaState 33:17.10 98
165 JR Harbor FloridaState 33:18.20 99
166 JR Cosby Portland 33:22.10 100
167 FR Murphy Iona 33:23.30 101
168 JR Palmer Alabama 33:25.50 102
169 JR Wetzel Texas 33:28.50 103
170 SO Sanders Auburn 33:53.60 --
171 SO Dame NorthCarolinaSt. 34:09.80 104
172 FR Johnson Stanford 34:20.10 105
173 SO Violet Louisville 34:29.80 --
174 FR Himelright NorthCarolinaSt. 34:54.60 106
175 SO Mitchell Auburn 37:10.00 --
College/University Men 8000 Meter Run Team Scores
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Team Pts 1 2 3 4 5 (6) (7)
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1 NorthernArizona 92 1 3 22 29 37 55 -
Total Time: 2:30:44 Average: 30:08.78 1-5 Split: 1:46
2 Colorado 141 14 21 27 32 47 59 -
Total Time: 2:33:31 Average: 30:42.18 1-5 Split: 48
3 Iona 158 5 10 31 45 67 78 101
Total Time: 2:33:39 Average: 30:43.74 1-5 Split: 1:52
4 Stanford 160 2 11 20 42 85 94 105
Total Time: 2:33:34 Average: 30:42.70 1-5 Split: 3:09
5 Oklahoma 180 23 28 38 39 52 71 86
Total Time: 2:34:31 Average: 30:54.22 1-5 Split: 45
6 Virginia 181 12 26 44 48 51 60 73
Total Time: 2:34:40 Average: 30:55.90 1-5 Split: 56
7 Alabama 205 9 15 36 43 102 - -
Total Time: 2:35:56 Average: 31:11.18 1-5 Split: 3:17
8 Providence 233 19 24 34 65 91 - -
Total Time: 2:36:14 Average: 31:14.86 1-5 Split: 2:12
9 Portland 240 6 25 30 83 96 100 -
Total Time: 2:36:37 Average: 31:19.48 1-5 Split: 3:19
10 IowaState 241 13 16 64 66 82 - -
Total Time: 2:36:23 Average: 31:16.58 1-5 Split: 1:51
11 Arkansas 261 4 17 77 79 84 88 -
Total Time: 2:36:21 Average: 31:16.10 1-5 Split: 2:45
12 Minnesota 279 7 41 49 90 92 93 -
Total Time: 2:37:41 Average: 31:32.18 1-5 Split: 3:07
13 Duke 298 40 54 58 70 76 - -
Total Time: 2:37:26 Average: 31:29.22 1-5 Split: 49
14 ArizonaState 299 33 50 62 74 80 98 -
Total Time: 2:37:22 Average: 31:28.30 1-5 Split: 1:10
15 NorthCarolinaSt. 312 8 56 63 81 104 106 -
Total Time: 2:39:27 Average: 31:53.30 1-5 Split: 4:05
16 OhioState 335 35 53 61 89 97 - -
Total Time: 2:39:24 Average: 31:52.80 1-5 Split: 2:24
17 Texas 341 46 57 68 75 95 103 -
Total Time: 2:39:12 Average: 31:50.32 1-5 Split: 1:53
18 FloridaState 345 18 69 72 87 99 - -
Total Time: 2:39:41 Average: 31:56.22 1-5 Split: 2:49
With Oklahoma State it really doesn't matter who is leaving because Dave Smith with just head off to Eldoret or Sydney and find another bunch of foreign ringers with which to re-tool. I agree with the sentiment that the collegiate squads should have limited foreign members.
How do you fail out of Oklahoma State?
Isn't this where Dexter Manley (who apparently could barely read if I remember the reports correctly) went to school?
Iona could be back on the podium next year but i think they need one more guy to support sheridan, lets see who they recruit...
Of the 31 teams represented on Monday, twelve had 3 or more seniors on their competition squad, leaving only four scoring runners. To look at next years scores I placed additional runners (however many it took to create a scoring team of 5) for those 12 teams (Mich. State, Ok State, Oregon, WM, BYU, Louisville, Auburn, Wisc, NewMex, Nova, Syracuse, Washington and Georgetown). I placed that runner alongside their team's seventh runner from Monday's race. That's the only way I could think of to do this. I'm open to other ideas though (that do not include wild speculation about current team members or future recruits).
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Name Yr Team Time Pts
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1 JR Chelanga Liberty 28:41.30 --
2 JR McNeill NorthernArizona 29:06.50 1
3 SO Derrick Stanford 29:14.80 2
4 JR Kirui Mississippi 29:24.10 --
5 JR Chipangama NorthernArizona 29:33.10 3
6 JR Ulrey Arkansas 29:37.90 4
7 SO Lowe OklahomaState 29:42.40 5
8 SO Sheridan Iona 29:47.40 6
9 SO Kipchumba Portland 29:50.10 7
10 JR Mead Minnesota 29:50.70 8
11 SO Cheruiyot Auburn 29:55.70 9
12 JR Kigen Liberty 30:01.00 --
13 SO Puskedra Oregon 30:01.90 10
14 SO Hill NorthCarolinaSt. 30:04.60 11
15 SO Kiptoo Alabama 30:08.60 12
16 SO Centrowitz Oregon 30:09.50 13
17 SO Mecheso OklahomaState 30:13.60 14
18 FR Ahmed Wisconsin 30:14.40 15
19 JR Mercado Oregon 30:15.40 16
20 JR Wilhelm William&Mary 30:18.90 17
21 SO Soderberg Iona 30:19.30 18
22 FR Mildenhall Villanova 30:19.40 19
23 JR Heath Stanford 30:19.40 20
24 SO Medrano Syracuse 30:20.70 21
25 SO Collins Virginia 30:22.00 22
26 JR Chenoweth Harvard 30:23.60 --
27 JR Bor IowaState 30:24.20 23
28 SO Thompson Colorado 30:24.60 24
29 JR Samoei Alabama 30:25.20 25
30 SO Mebrahtu IowaState 30:27.20 26
31 FR Haile Arkansas 30:27.80 27
32 JR Leeder FloridaState 30:29.50 28
33 SO Carey Providence 30:29.70 29
34 JR Woodard William&Mary 30:30.20 30
35 SO Riley Stanford 30:30.50 31
36 JR Medina Colorado 30:31.50 32
37 JR Rooney McNeeseState 30:32.60 --
38 JR Ashkettle NorthernArizona 30:32.70 33
39 JR Mercado Oregon 30:34.40 34
40 SO Schwab Oklahoma 30:34.70 35
41 SO Gruenewald BYU 30:35.20 36
42 SO Channon Providence 30:36.60 37
43 FR Osoro Portland 30:36.60 38
44 JR Heineking Virginia 30:36.70 39
45 JR McKenna UtahState 30:36.80 --
46 SO Wacker Colorado 30:37.00 40
47 JR Tyner AirForce 30:37.60 --
48 JR Sorrell Oklahoma 30:39.30 41
49 SO Osman NorthernArizona 30:39.30 42
50 SO Krause Wisconsin 30:39.70 43
51 FR Dunbar Portland 30:41.80 44
52 SO Bayley Iona 30:42.30 45
53 SO Edwards SouthAlabama 30:43.20 --
54 FR Bosshard Colorado 30:44.80 46
55 JR Helmer ArizonaState 30:46.70 47
56 JR McCarthy Providence 30:47.60 48
57 JR Beamish Villanova 30:48.40 49
58 JR Ruttoh EasternKentucky 30:49.50 --
59 JR Lundy Maryland 30:49.50 --
60 SO Williams OhioState 30:49.80 50
61 FR Vandenabeele NorthernIowa 30:50.40 --
62 JR Bor Alabama 30:50.90 51
63 JR Edelman Cornell 30:51.20 --
64 JR Bruce Louisville 30:52.20 52
65 JR Pedersen NorthernArizona 30:52.30 53
66 JR Peacock Wisconsin 30:52.40 54
67 SO Fernandez OklahomaState 30:53.90 55
68 FR Kogel Oklahoma 30:57.50 56
69 FR Rotich UTEP 30:59.20 --
70 FR Williams Oklahoma 31:00.20 57
71 JR Ogden BYU 31:03.20 58
72 JR Brewer Duke 31:03.70 59
73 JR Blankenship Minnesota 31:05.10 60
74 FR Unterreiner Stanford 31:05.30 61
75 JR Kirwa Alabama 31:05.70 62
76 FR Misenti Syracuse 31:06.70 63
77 FR Taye Virginia 31:08.80 64
78 JR Speare Princeton 31:09.50 --
79 JR Gibney Villanova 31:09.80 65
80 JR Weller Iona 31:10.30 66
81 FR Gates William&Mary 31:10.60 67
82 SO Tunningley Texas 31:11.60 68
83 FR Vanhalen Colorado 31:13.00 69
84 JR Shields Purdue 31:13.80 --
85 JR Tribble Virginia 31:13.90 70
86 SO McNally PennState 31:14.00 --
87 FR Gagnon Minnesota 31:15.10 71
88 JR Milloy ArizonaState 31:15.70 72
89 SO Poore Indiana 31:16.40 --
90 SO Vandoorne MichiganState 31:16.50 73
91 JR Miller Virginia 31:18.10 74
92 JR Mayes Oklahoma 31:19.40 75
93 FR Darling Wisconsin 31:20.30 76
94 SO Green OhioState 31:21.10 77
95 JR Chemaoi Mid.Tenn.State 31:21.10 --
96 SO Kostelnik Duke 31:21.60 78
97 SO Belus NorthernArizona 31:21.70 79
98 FR Millington NewMexico 31:23.20 80
99 SO Moldovan NorthCarolinaSt. 31:25.10 81
100 SO Simmons Texas 31:25.10 82
101 SO Stublaski OklahomaState 31:25.20 83
102 JR Lund Duke 31:25.20 84
103 ?? One OklahomaState 31:26.00 85
104 SO Quackenbush Washington 31:26.40 86
105 JR Gerrard NewMexico 31:27.50 87
106 JR Tebo Colorado 31:27.80 88
107 SO McAlary MichiganState 31:27.90 89
108 ?? One NewMexico 31:28.00 90
109 ?? Two NewMexico 31:28.10 91
110 ?? Three NewMexico 31:28.20 92
111 JR Revelle Virginia 31:28.60 93
112 SO Graves Syracuse 31:28.90 94
113 FR Roys OhioState 31:28.90 95
114 JR Roeder Butler 31:29.40 --
115 SO Dupont Syracuse 31:30.20 96
116 SO Batty BYU 31:32.10 97
117 JR Van ArizonaState 31:34.20 98
118 FR Campbell NorthCarolinaSt. 31:34.50 99
119 SO Limo IowaState 31:37.40 100
120 SO Matthews Providence 31:38.60 101
121 JR Carper IowaState 31:38.90 102
122 JR Hibbs Iona 31:39.40 103
123 JR Lowry Texas 31:40.80 104
124 ?? One Oregon 31:41.00 105
125 JR O'Lionard FloridaState 31:41.20 106
126 JR Stolar Duquesne 31:41.20 --
127 SO O'Donoghue-Mcdona Washington 31:42.00 107
128 SO Clark Duke 31:43.00 108
129 JR Sudbury Oklahoma 31:44.60 109
130 SO Mike FloridaState 31:46.30 110
131 FR Keveren Virginia 31:47.10 111
132 SO Hatcher ArizonaState 31:47.90 112
133 FR Miller MichiganState 31:48.30 113
134 SO Rhodes-Devey Texas 31:49.50 114
135 JR Waggoner Duke 31:52.60 115
136 JR Hughes Louisville 31:53.10 116
137 ?? One Wisconsin 31:54.00 117
138 JR Boyer Arkansas 31:55.60 118
139 FR Baumeister Iona 31:56.10 119
140 SO Elliott Arkansas 31:56.50 120
141 JR Engelhardt ArizonaState 31:57.00 121
142 JR Sklodowski William&Mary 31:57.60 122
143 SO Grimes Georgetown 31:57.70 123
144 JR Escareno Brown 32:01.00 --
145 SO Lovelace Louisville 32:03.60 124
146 JR Swarthout Washington 32:06.80 125
147 SO North NorthCarolinaSt. 32:12.50 126
148 JR Murphy-Baum IowaState 32:15.20 127
149 ?? One William&Mary 32:18.00 128
150 SO Frerker Portland 32:20.20 129
151 JR Dimambro MichiganState 32:21.80 130
152 ?? One MichiganState 32:22.00 131
153 JR Russell Arkansas 32:22.70 132
154 JR Marpole-Bird Stanford 32:23.50 133
155 FR Nicolls Oklahoma 32:24.70 134
156 FR Rickman FloridaState 32:25.90 135
157 JR Chinchar Arkansas 32:26.70 136
158 FR Meyer OhioState 32:30.50 137
159 JR McFarland Minnesota 32:32.70 138
160 SO Bahr BYU 32:34.10 139
161 ?? One BYU 32:35.00 140
162 FR Dennin Georgetown 32:36.50 141
163 ?? One Georgetown 32:37.00 142
164 ?? Two Georgetown 32:37.10 143
165 ?? Three Georgetown 32:37.20 144
166 SO Terry Providence 32:41.80 145
167 FR Bywater Washington 32:45.40 146
168 ?? One Washington 32:46.00 147
169 ?? One Syracuse 32:56.00 148
170 FR Storkel Minnesota 32:57.30 149
171 SO Olson Minnesota 32:59.70 150
172 SO Mackenzie Villanova 33:00.80 151
173 ?? One Villanova 33:01.00 152
174 JR Gregg Stanford 33:04.00 153
175 FR Roth Texas 33:04.60 154
176 JR Van Binghamton 33:05.60 --
177 FR Geiger Portland 33:08.70 155
178 FR Leslie OhioState 33:13.70 156
179 FR Happe ArizonaState 33:17.10 157
180 JR Harbor FloridaState 33:18.20 158
181 JR Cosby Portland 33:22.10 159
182 FR Murphy Iona 33:23.30 160
183 JR Palmer Alabama 33:25.50 161
184 JR Wetzel Texas 33:28.50 162
185 SO Sanders Auburn 33:53.60 163
186 SO Dame NorthCarolinaSt. 34:09.80 164
187 FR Johnson Stanford 34:20.10 165
188 SO Violet Louisville 34:29.80 166
189 ?? One Louisville 34:30.00 167
190 FR Himelright NorthCarolinaSt. 34:54.60 168
191 SO Mitchell Auburn 37:10.00 169
192 ?? One Auburn 37:10.00 170
193 ?? Two Auburn 37:10.10 171
Team Scores
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Team Pts 1 2 3 4 5 (6) (7)
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1 NorthernArizona 132 1 3 33 42 53 79 -
Total Time: 2:30:44 Average: 30:08.78 1-5 Split: 1:46
2 Oregon 178 10 13 16 34 105 - -
Total Time: 2:32:42 Average: 30:32.44 1-5 Split: 1:39
3 Colorado 211 24 32 40 46 69 88 -
Total Time: 2:33:31 Average: 30:42.18 1-5 Split: 48
4 Iona 238 6 18 45 66 103 119 160
Total Time: 2:33:39 Average: 30:43.74 1-5 Split: 1:52
5 OklahomaState 242 5 14 55 83 85 - -
Total Time: 2:33:41 Average: 30:44.22 1-5 Split: 1:44
6 Stanford 247 2 20 31 61 133 153 165
Total Time: 2:33:34 Average: 30:42.70 1-5 Split: 3:09
7 Oklahoma 264 35 41 56 57 75 109 134
Total Time: 2:34:31 Average: 30:54.22 1-5 Split: 45
8 Virginia 269 22 39 64 70 74 93 111
Total Time: 2:34:40 Average: 30:55.90 1-5 Split: 56
9 Wisconsin 305 15 43 54 76 117 - -
Total Time: 2:35:001 Average: 31:00.16 1-5 Split: 1:40
10 Alabama 311 12 25 51 62 161 - -
Total Time: 2:35:56 Average: 31:11.18 1-5 Split: 3:17
11 Providence 360 29 37 48 101 145 - -
Total Time: 2:36:14 Average: 31:14.86 1-5 Split: 2:12
12 William&Mary 364 17 30 67 122 128 - -
Total Time: 2:36:15 Average: 31:15.06 1-5 Split: 1:59
13 Portland 373 7 38 44 129 155 159 -
Total Time: 2:36:37 Average: 31:19.48 1-5 Split: 3:19
14 IowaState 378 23 26 100 102 127 - -
Total Time: 2:36:23 Average: 31:16.58 1-5 Split: 1:51
15 Arkansas 401 4 27 118 120 132 136 -
Total Time: 2:36:21 Average: 31:16.10 1-5 Split: 2:45
16 Syracuse 422 21 63 94 96 148 - -
Total Time: 2:37:23 Average: 31:28.50 1-5 Split: 2:35
17 Minnesota 426 8 60 71 138 149 150 -
Total Time: 2:37:41 Average: 31:32.18 1-5 Split: 3:07
18 Villanova 436 19 49 65 151 152 - -
Total Time: 2:38:19 Average: 31:39.88 1-5 Split: 2:42
19 NewMexico 440 80 87 90 91 92 - -
Total Time: 2:37:15 Average: 31:27.00 1-5 Split: 5
20 Duke 444 59 78 84 108 115 - -
Total Time: 2:37:26 Average: 31:29.22 1-5 Split: 49
21 ArizonaState 450 47 72 98 112 121 157 -
Total Time: 2:37:22 Average: 31:28.30 1-5 Split: 1:10
22 BYU 470 36 58 97 139 140 - -
Total Time: 2:38:20 Average: 31:39.92 1-5 Split: 1:60
23 NorthCarolinaSt. 481 11 81 99 126 164 168 -
Total Time: 2:39:27 Average: 31:53.30 1-5 Split: 4:05
24 OhioState 515 50 77 95 137 156 - -
Total Time: 2:39:24 Average: 31:52.80 1-5 Split: 2:24
25 Texas 522 68 82 104 114 154 162 -
Total Time: 2:39:12 Average: 31:50.32 1-5 Split: 1:53
26 MichiganState 536 73 89 113 130 131 - -
Total Time: 2:39:17 Average: 31:51.30 1-5 Split: 1:06
27 FloridaState 537 28 106 110 135 158 - -
Total Time: 2:39:41 Average: 31:56.22 1-5 Split: 2:49
28 Washington 611 86 107 125 146 147 - -
Total Time: 2:40:47 Average: 32:09.32 1-5 Split: 1:20
29 Louisville 625 52 116 124 166 167 - -
Total Time: 2:43:49 Average: 32:45.74 1-5 Split: 3:38
30 Auburn 682 9 163 169 170 171 - -
Total Time: 2:55:19 Average: 35:03.88 1-5 Split: 7:14
31 Georgetown 693 123 141 142 143 144 - -
Total Time: 2:42:26 Average: 32:29.10 1-5 Split: 40
I am not understanding this correctly. Are these the intermediate scores at 8000m or is this the scoring of the meet taking out those departing? Assuming the latter, for the deeper teams (e.g., Wisconsin) you need to look at who they did not run (UW had people like the following, losing only two seniors and having the likes of Conner, Finnerty, and Thomas 'on deck'.Ahmed, Mohammed 5-11 FR St. Catharines, OntarioBateman, Noel 5-11 JR Rochester, New YorkBerman, Neal 6-1 FR Philadelphia, Penn.Bolas, Jack 6-0 RS JR Chapel Hill, N.C.Brice, Michael 6-0 FR Kaukuana, Wisc.Brill, Alex 6-3 FR Madison, Wisc.Buechel, Daniel 6-1 SO St. Peter, Wisc.Connor, Reed 6-1 FR Houston, TexasDarling, Maverick 5-10 RS FR Ovid, Mich.Finnerty, Rob 5-10 RS FR Burnsville, Minn.Hucke, Timothy 6-0 FR Hartland, Wisc.Kebede, Robel 5-7 FR Minneapolis, Minn.Krause, Elliot 6-0 SO Appleton, Wisc.Peacock, Landon 5-11 RS JR Morley, Mich.Pierie, Tim 5-11 RS SR Mokena, IllinoisSchwaderer, Donald 5-11 FR Wheat Ridge, ColoradoShields, Drew 6-1 FR Fishers, Ind.Thomas, Phil 6-1 RS SO Greendale, Wisc.SeniorsGasper, Ryan 5-10 RS SR Fort Atkinson, Wisc.Miller, Craig 6-1 SR Lancaster, Pa.Finally, OSU clearly will have a large likelihood in having a much lower scorer in GF next year.And thanks, by the way.
College/University Men 8000 Meter Run Team Scores
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Team Pts 1 2 3 4 5 (6) (7)
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1 NorthernArizona 92 1 3 22 29 37 55 -
Total Time: 2:30:44 Average: 30:08.78 1-5 Split: 1:46
2 Colorado 141 14 21 27 32 47 59 -
Total Time: 2:33:31 Average: 30:42.18 1-5 Split: 48
3 Iona 158 5 10 31 45 67 78 101
Total Time: 2:33:39 Average: 30:43.74 1-5 Split: 1:52
4 Stanford 160 2 11 20 42 85 94 105
Total Time: 2:33:34 Average: 30:42.70 1-5 Split: 3:09
5 Oklahoma 180 23 28 38 39 52 71 86
Total Time: 2:34:31 Average: 30:54.22 1-5 Split: 45
6 Virginia 181 12 26 44 48 51 60 73
Total Time: 2:34:40 Average: 30:55.90 1-5 Split: 56
7 Alabama 205 9 15 36 43 102 - -
Total Time: 2:35:56 Average: 31:11.18 1-5 Split: 3:17
8 Providence 233 19 24 34 65 91 - -
Total Time: 2:36:14 Average: 31:14.86 1-5 Split: 2:12
9 Portland 240 6 25 30 83 96 100 -
Total Time: 2:36:37 Average: 31:19.48 1-5 Split: 3:19
10 IowaState 241 13 16 64 66 82 - -
Total Time: 2:36:23 Average: 31:16.58 1-5 Split: 1:51
11 Arkansas 261 4 17 77 79 84 88 -
Total Time: 2:36:21 Average: 31:16.10 1-5 Split: 2:45
12 Minnesota 279 7 41 49 90 92 93 -
Total Time: 2:37:41 Average: 31:32.18 1-5 Split: 3:07
13 Duke 298 40 54 58 70 76 - -
Total Time: 2:37:26 Average: 31:29.22 1-5 Split: 49
14 ArizonaState 299 33 50 62 74 80 98 -
Total Time: 2:37:22 Average: 31:28.30 1-5 Split: 1:10
15 NorthCarolinaSt. 312 8 56 63 81 104 106 -
Total Time: 2:39:27 Average: 31:53.30 1-5 Split: 4:05
16 OhioState 335 35 53 61 89 97 - -
Total Time: 2:39:24 Average: 31:52.80 1-5 Split: 2:24
17 Texas 341 46 57 68 75 95 103 -
Total Time: 2:39:12 Average: 31:50.32 1-5 Split: 1:53
18 FloridaState 345 18 69 72 87 99 - -
Total Time: 2:39:41 Average: 31:56.22 1-5 Split: 2:49
statsguy wrote:
To look at next years scores I placed additional runners... for those 12 teams .... I placed that runner alongside their team's seventh runner from Monday's race. That's the only way I could think of to do this. I'm open to other ideas though (that do not include wild speculation about current team members or future recruits).
I think it makes more sense to put in extra scorers equal to the average of their 7 this year. Some of the returners will be seniors, presumably most of the guys will improve next year, and it's not unreasonable for some teams to have freshmen score, nevermind run the meet in the first place. Maybe calculate the average and standard deviation for this year's 7, and then add guys into the results such that each team's average place remains the same?
26mi235 wrote:
Finally, OSU clearly will have a large likelihood in having a much lower scorer in GF next year.
Why do you think so? When has he EVER run well at a national championship cross-country race?
statsguy wrote:
Of the 31 teams represented on Monday, twelve had 3 or more seniors on their competition squad, leaving only four scoring runners. To look at next years scores I placed additional runners (however many it took to create a scoring team of 5) for those 12 teams (Mich. State, Ok State, Oregon, WM, BYU, Louisville, Auburn, Wisc, NewMex, Nova, Syracuse, Washington and Georgetown). I placed that runner alongside their team's seventh runner from Monday's race. That's the only way I could think of to do this. I'm open to other ideas though (that do not include wild speculation about current team members or future recruits).
Thanks for doing this.
It is interesting to see the results.
Top Returning Squads for 2010 -
1) Northern Arizona
2) Oregon
3) Stanford
4) Iona
5) Colorado
6) Alabama
7) Oklahoma State
8) Oklahoma
9) Wisconsin
10) Virginia
11) Syracuse
12) Portland
13) Providence
14) William & Mary
15) Iowa State
This is interesting and all, but let's just remember that at this time last year Auburn was being hailed as the 2009 favorite.
i wonder who the youngest team is.