LONDON (AP) -- The IOC has stripped Bahraini middle-distance runner Rashid Ramzi of his 1,500-meter Olympic gold medal and disqualified four other athletes because of doping in Beijing.
LONDON (AP) -- The IOC has stripped Bahraini middle-distance runner Rashid Ramzi of his 1,500-meter Olympic gold medal and disqualified four other athletes because of doping in Beijing.
excellent
Flaming out or just out.
That's too bad. I'm big a big fan of Ramzi and personally think he's innocent.
Sammysung wrote:
That's too bad. I'm big a big fan of Ramzi and personally think he's innocent.
Then buddy, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona for you to buy.
Why would Ramzi take a chance with drugs during or just before the Olympics? He had way too much to lose. The testing results must be flawed or some other criminal activity is taking place.
Sammysung wrote:
Why would Ramzi take a chance with drugs during or just before the Olympics? He had way too much to lose. The testing results must be flawed or some other criminal activity is taking place.
why? because he felt his drug use was undetectable. as in,
"the athletes are always head of the testers" mentality of some coaches, agents "support crew" and the athletes themselves.
Run clean and get medal. Load up, get a medal and hope you get through the test ok. Might be worth a go.
Sammysung wrote:
Why would Ramzi take a chance with drugs during or just before the Olympics? He had way too much to lose. The testing results must be flawed or some other criminal activity is taking place.
That should read,"Load up. Get NO medal."
HRE wrote:
That should read,"Load up. Get NO medal."
No. It should read "Run clean. Get NO medal."
Ok, trying once more to make a clear statement, if I thought juicing would get me an Olympic medal, especially a gold one but was pretty sure I couldn't get a medal while clean I might just decide to risk it and hope for the best when the test results come back. As it is now, he's where he'd likely have been had he not doped, i.e. with no Olympic medal. Yes, he'll be suspended but some might feel like an Olympic medal is worth risking suspension for.
HRE wrote:
Ok, trying once more to make a clear statement, if I thought juicing would get me an Olympic medal, especially a gold one but was pretty sure I couldn't get a medal while clean I might just decide to risk it and hope for the best when the test results come back. As it is now, he's where he'd likely have been had he not doped, i.e. with no Olympic medal. Yes, he'll be suspended but some might feel like an Olympic medal is worth risking suspension for.
Well then you would always know that you cheated to get it and the only thing you would be certain about is that are you a liar and a cheater, and you suck.
I would hope you choke on it.
korviev wrote:
HRE wrote:Ok, trying once more to make a clear statement, if I thought juicing would get me an Olympic medal, especially a gold one but was pretty sure I couldn't get a medal while clean I might just decide to risk it and hope for the best when the test results come back. As it is now, he's where he'd likely have been had he not doped, i.e. with no Olympic medal. Yes, he'll be suspended but some might feel like an Olympic medal is worth risking suspension for.
Well then you would always know that you cheated to get it and the only thing you would be certain about is that are you a liar and a cheater, and you suck.
I would hope you choke on it.
I argee, somewhat weird comment from HRE. Understandable logic though.
Yea this is one side of HRE I've never seen. I wonder if this is even him.
Sammysung wrote:
Why would Ramzi take a chance with drugs during or just before the Olympics? He had way too much to lose. The testing results must be flawed or some other criminal activity is taking place.
Everyone keeps overlooking the real criminals here, who are blatantly in everyone's faces.
I don't think he was presenting it as a choice he would make.
He was saying that the setup, where druggies don't get caught and non druggies don't win encourages a person to make the choice for drug use. (Given that the have some nicely flexible morals or very clever self rationalization).
The logic makes perfect sense.
Hopefully it makes less sense for the london olympics and beyond given ramzi's fate.
Remember that this isn't just a hobby for people in Ramzi's position, it is their livelihood. You can compare it to corporate fraud in America, maybe.
Lindgren Runner wrote:
Yea this is one side of HRE I've never seen. I wonder if this is even him.
Yeah, it's me and evidently I'm just not being very clear. So let me say that I'm really glad to see Ramzi lose the medal. What I'm trying to say is that if you're going to steal and cheat you likely are doing it to get something you want. Stealing and cheating nearly always bring some risk so if you're going to cheat and steal you'd have to decide if the risk of being caught is worth the rewards.
I'm not condonig it at all. I'm just responding to whomever said he couldn't believe Ramzi cheated because he had way too much to lose. I'm trying to say that in this situation what Ramzi had to gain may have seemed worth risking whatever he might have lost.
I hope that makes sense. If not someone should just track me down and put me into the Home.
What about ELG? Ramzi was a former training partner of ELG - How much 'advice' was given?