Dear University of New Mexico - your women's soccer team is a bunch of cheaters (and you still suck)

Bear of Bad News wrote:

I'm confused by her quote that "this is in no way indicative of my character." Of course it is indicative of your character. Your character is the sum of your actions, therefore your actions are all indicative of your character.

You've got the definition of character more or less, but your logic is wrong. Character is formed by the totality of your actions, but your actions are of various kinds and some will not be indicative of character, but rather uncharacteristic, different from the norm. If she freaks out once in extremis, but the rest of her life is calm, the former indicates very little about her character. However, Aristotle argues that how one acts without forethought is deeply indicative of character, or one's formed tendencies, whereas what is premeditated allows for divergence from settled character.

jjjjjjjj wrote:

Bear of Bad News wrote:

I'm confused by her quote that "this is in no way indicative of my character." Of course it is indicative of your character. Your character is the sum of your actions, therefore your actions are all indicative of your character.

If she freaks out once in extremis, but the rest of her life is calm, the former indicates very little about her character.

Wrong. If I freak out once and shoot ten people does that say anything about my character. I would think it does.

Actually every behavior says something about your character. It certainly does not tell the whole story but it says something. It has to if it was a choice that you freely made. It might just say under certain circumstances I will decide to do ....(fill in the the blank).

This is soccer we're talking about, those BYU girls were acting.

haha, YO wrote:

Women don't go on missions, half of those women probably have kids and are married.

You do know that for women BYU stands for Bring Your Uterus. A lot of women who go there get married and preg before graduating.

Posted at: 11/06/2009 6:06 PM | Updated at: 11/06/2009 7:40 PM By: Stuart Dyson, Eyewitness News 4; Charlie Pabst, KOB.comThere's another cloud over UNM athletics— this time, it's the extremely rough conduct of a player on the womens soccer team that's made headlines.It was UNM vs. BYU on Thursday, but Lobo player Elizabeth Lambert looked more like Jack Lambert.The long-ago terror of the NFL was famous for rough stuff, but Elizabeth's conduct on the soccer field is getting major play on ESPN and the Internet, and the commentators are singing in the key of B-negative.It comes on the heels of the Lobo football scandal, in which Coach Mike Locksley collared and maybe choked and punched an assistant coach.UNM students were divided over whether the soccer episode further tarnishes the school's image."I mean it's sad that the Lobos get into the news for Locksley and now this - it makes us look awful," student Tim Mousseau said.Student Ali Reades said, "You know, it's sports. It happens. I don't think it should reflect badly on the university."Others say the video only shows only part of what happened."We don't know the whole story - I mean she probably shouldn't have done it - but we only see what's on the camera," student Lauren Lockett said.

Grad student Danny Hernandez said, "She kicked a girl in the face with a ball while she was down - that's pretty bad - I don't know what's going on with that girl but she's got a problem."

Student David Conway said, "It might be a black eye for UNM athletics - the negative things always get picked up."

The negative things do always get picked up— and they get replayed again and again and again.

The university's response came quickly on Friday— Lambert has been suspended indefinitely from the soccer team.

Her coach says she's a quality student-athlete, but her conduct crossed the line of fair play and good sportsmanship.

Lambert apologized in a statement, saying she accepts the punishment.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1238997.shtml?cat=516

It appears that this is not an isolated incident at UNM. They need (to be forced to, by the NCAA) clean house, from top to bottom.

r.t.i. wrote:

This is soccer we're talking about, those BYU girls were acting.

Pretty good acting on the two (or three, one was a two-fer) slugs. Likewise, fabulous drop back of the head, especially getting her hair into that other girl's fist, and falling back faster than you can go down by gravity alone. And, getting the other girl to run right past your leg just before she stuck it out now that is good timing (and her teammate gets double points for kicking the ball into her face. Four red card offenses and a yellow card - they got the yellow card right except it would also be red for repeat offenses.

I wonder when she will play her next game.

She is rather attractive.

I second the notion from another thread that for some reason I would do anything to go out with her.

As a Forest fan I don't condone such behaviour. But it did turn me on a bit.

I don't see anything that doesn't happen on a regular basis in soccer. Defenders foul, elbow, grab uniforms, punch, and hold every game. Unfortunately this one girl pretty much applied every defender's trick in the book in one match, on video. You can get away with it, as she did, until the media gets ahold of it, and blows it out of proportion. Then the coach and university have to save face.

that bitch likes it rough

I bet she likes it rough in the sack.

Zidane wrote:

I don't see anything that doesn't happen on a regular basis in soccer. Defenders foul, elbow, grab uniforms, punch, and hold every game. Unfortunately this one girl pretty much applied every defender's trick in the book in one match, on video. You can get away with it, as she did, until the media gets ahold of it, and blows it out of proportion. Then the coach and university have to save face.

How many times have you seen one player throw another player to the ground by the hair before? That does not happen on a regular basis.

As has been pointed out, half of that incident was acting. How, with just a simple tug from the shoulder, can you pull someone down to the ground with that much force, even by their hair? You'd have to hold onto the hair and throw your weight behind it such that you'd at least be bent over at the waist. Soccer has a lot of WWE fakery in it, regardless of gender.

And none of those rugmunchers are that appealing, either.

Most men don't have hair that long, and we don't see many women's games. The same thing happens on every cross or corner, by grabbing the shoulder, neck, or shirt. That BYU girl dropped like a rock though, so somewhat embellished. What I'm trying to say is, that is normal behavior, and it goes both ways. She was overzealous, but nothing that has never happened before, just turn on Fox Soccer Channel this weekend for the premier league games, where they really get after it.

Crouchy with some World Cup hair-pulling.

Red Glare wrote:

And none of those rugmunchers are that appealing, either.

False, the woman at the beginning of the video (first player, not Foudy) was quite attractive.

And what's wrong with munching a little rug? Although I prefer a hardwood floor ...

The first portion of the video shows the BYU player hitting her with an elbow - I would like to see if there were a few more hits, scratches, or whatever on the New Mexico player that, while not excusing her actions, may have been part of an exchange.

believe me 191 wrote:

I would not arm wrestle Elizabeth Lambert

god, i bet she's good in bed

yummy!