For 800, 1600, 3200, how fast do you have to run during your junior year to get admissions help from coaches in the Ivy League, assuming you're academics are on par with the average student admitted?
For 800, 1600, 3200, how fast do you have to run during your junior year to get admissions help from coaches in the Ivy League, assuming you're academics are on par with the average student admitted?
I've been told about 9:30, 4:20 and then 1:58 or whatever 800 is equivalent to that. Also it depends on the school, Princeton and Colombia are tougher.
What about for girls?
track and field guy wrote:
...assuming you're academics are on par with the average student admitted?
Hoo, boy...
That is wishful thinking for the most part.
If you want help w/admissions, you should be in the 1:54/4:16/9:20 range.
You could walk on with the times listed above at any Ivy, but you more than likely wouldn't be one of the coaches "top picks"
4:20 is closer to a 1:56 or so. In all of these cases you are better off writing the coach when the time is right.
betterlucknexttime wrote:
I've been told about 9:30, 4:20 and then 1:58 or whatever 800 is equivalent to that. Also it depends on the school, Princeton and Colombia are tougher.
For girls, I think the following will work:
800 - 2:12 through 2:16
1500 - 4:40 through 4:50
3000 - ~10:00
You can check out the most recent conference placing times at this link (mens first, then womens):
http://hepstrack.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/heps09-finalres.pdf
been there done that wrote:
You could walk on with the times listed above at any Ivy, but you more than likely wouldn't be one of the coaches "top picks"
Is that the case even if your academics are on par with most of the non-athletes (2200+ SAT, good GPA)? Or for places like Yale or Penn that don't have as good of a program as say Columbia or Princeton?
been there done that wrote:
That is wishful thinking for the most part.
If you want help w/admissions, you should be in the 1:54/4:16/9:20 range.
You could walk on with the times listed above at any Ivy, but you more than likely wouldn't be one of the coaches "top picks"
If you check here you'll see what it took to make the Princeton coaches' list:
http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46850&SPID=4261&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=10600&ATCLID=3755222Tigerfan wrote:
If you check here you'll see what it took to make the Princeton coaches' list:
http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46850&SPID=4261&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=10600&ATCLID=3755222
Well, of course we don't know that there weren't lesser athletes on the PU coaches' "help" list, but thanks for the link anyway. Damn, that is some incoming class!
The thing that kind of surprises me is that Princeton has been bringing in similar (no, not quite *this* good!) classes for years, and does not absolutely dominate its conference; but I'm sure it's true at Princeton, as at other Ivies, that a fair number of the recruits don't make a four-year commitment to the sport, and the coach's picks that boosted their admission end up being wasted.
But I digress. As others have suggested: Contact the coach(es) of the school(s) you're actually interested in. I'm sure it takes a lot more to get on the recruiting radar at Harvard or Princeton than at Penn, say. And make sure your academic stats are in the ballpark with those of the non-athlete student body. Coaches won't waste a pick on someone who has no chance of admission anyway.
The link above had guys with HS PR's of 8:55, 9:07, 9:15 and 9:32 at Princeton and the coach called it the greatest class in years. They also had 4 different guys who ran 1:51, 1:51, 1:52 and 1:53.
So, if you are applying at a school that needs distance runners, I would think that if you run 4:25/9:30 as a junior that those kind of times would help you get in.
If your academic picture is on par with the average student admitted, I don't see why you need help?
I am not an expert on the Ivy's, but at other schools coaches can get you admitted just by telling Admissions that they want you let in. It seems to me that if you are a solid distance runner by next Fall (when you are a senior) that even if you are walk-on material that it would help you get in. I went to school at a big school in the BIG 10 though, there probably isn't any practical limit to how many kids the swimming and track coaches can have admitted. At an Ivy they may have to save those "picks" for the 1:55/4:15 runners that they really want, but could not get admitted on their own merit.
You don't understand how competitive the Ivys are. For every student that gets in with "average" test scores/grades, there are a couple that get rejected. Having any type of edge is great.
newname wrote:
If your academic picture is on par with the average student admitted, I don't see why you need help?