• coffee creamer
      • Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/17/2009 1:16PM
      • coffee creamer
      • I'll make is simple.

        Before the season started everybody probably though Nationals was going to come down to Chelanga Vs Fernandez.
        Now that Derrick has just beaten Chelanga does this make Fernandez a clearer favorite, or is it now a 3 way battle?

        Obviously there are other guys, but right now it has to be one of these guys who is the favorite.
    • coffee creamer
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/17/2009 1:27PM - in reply to The fangirl
      • coffee creamer
      • Yes, yes I have and all three of those guys would beat her hands down at Nationals.
    • troll alert
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/17/2009 1:51PM - in reply to coffee creamer
      • troll alert
      • coffee creamer wrote:
        I'll make is simple.

        Before the season started everybody probably though Nationals was going to come down to Chelanga Vs Fernandez.
        Now that Derrick has just beaten Chelanga does this make Fernandez a clearer favorite, or is it now a 3 way battle?

        Obviously there are other guys, but right now it has to be one of these guys who is the favorite.
        I love how you spun Derrick's victory in Fernandez's favor.
    • mighty porn stache
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/17/2009 2:19PM - in reply to coffee creamer
      • mighty porn stache
      • Looks like Stanford proved that #1 just might belong. That's pretty damn dominating.
        And I guess Oregon got it figured out now. Interesting results.
    • Oi Oi
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/17/2009 2:24PM - in reply to mighty porn stache
      • Oi Oi
      • mighty porn stache wrote:
        Looks like Stanford proved that #1 just might belong. That's pretty damn dominating.
        And I guess Oregon got it figured out now. Interesting results.
        I think they still might get more out of little Centro...
    • mighty porn stache
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/17/2009 2:28PM - in reply to Oi Oi
      • mighty porn stache
      • Centro ran very well in their home meet...what was it, the Dellinger? While Puskedra looked bad and was 5th team man or so. Now Puskedra goes and wins prenats. Centro runs well again, and if the Mercados keep it going, they'll def be higher than the 7th they are currently ranked.
    • music is happiness
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 12:59PM - in reply to mighty porn stache
      • music is happiness
      • Of the individual favorites, only Derrick is undefeated now (unless you count Bumbalough, but he's not as much of a factor for the win in a 10K cross race, top 5 perhaps). Interesting.
    • Defeated over and over and
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 1:57PM - in reply to music is happiness
      • Defeated over and over and
      • music is happiness wrote:
        Of the individual favorites, only Derrick is undefeated now...
        In college XC there is only one day where it matters who is undefeated and it only matters if you are undefeated for that single day.

        Hats off to Derrick. Awesome display at pre-Nats. But it doesn't change anything. Before saturday and now the odds are exactly, precisely and without-any-possibility-whatsoever-of-being-questioned as follows:

        Chelanga: 30%
        Derrick: 30%
        Fernandez: 30%
        Rest of Field: 10%

        Now please do not waste your time debating what is so obvious. If you wish to discuss the details of the 10% you may.
    • Tirty Tree
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 2:55PM - in reply to Defeated over and over and
      • Tirty Tree
      • I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple, but these guys immediately categorized themselves as such in my mind.

        --- Could potentially win:
        Chelenga
        Derrick
        Fernandez
        Puskedra

        --- Top ten candidates:
        Baker
        Bethke
        Bumbalough
        Chipangama
        Estrada
        Heath
        Kipchumba
        Kosgei
        Kyle
        McCarthy
        McNeill
        Mead
        Mesecho
        Sheridan
        Vail

        Centrowitz hasn't done enough in cross country to merit a spot in the conversation just yet.
    • SserPrun95
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 3:06PM - in reply to Tirty Tree
      • SserPrun95
      • Don't forget that Heineking kid from UVA. 23:16 on that Panorama course (if it's the same as the one I ran on a couple years ago) is insane. Tougher course than prenats.
    • future run
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 3:07PM - in reply to Tirty Tree
      • future run
      • no one's gonna consider how poor herman fernandez's run looked at chili pepper? looks like he might need to make osu's varsity before being picked as a candidate to win
    • do you
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 4:48PM - in reply to future run
      • do you
      • future run wrote:
        no one's gonna consider how poor herman fernandez's run looked at chili pepper? looks like he might need to make osu's varsity before being picked as a candidate to win
        ...have a brain?
    • business plan
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 5:38PM - in reply to do you
      • business plan
      • Chelanga all the way!
        There's no way that Derrick and Fernandez have caught up to Chalenga's ability in just a year. Do you think that Chelanga is unable to improve over the course of a year just like them?

        Furthermore, Chelanga said in his post-race interview that he just took it easy cause he wasnt feeling well on that day.
    • sammy is the fav
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 5:50PM - in reply to business plan
      • sammy is the fav
      • I agree I don't think you can change who the favorite is off of one race. Chelenga was so far ahead last year that he still has to be considered the favorite. I'm also tired of people assuming Fernandez is better than Derrick... I think Derrick will wind up having the better career and is already showing that he is surpassing fernandez
    • taking it easy
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 7:43PM - in reply to business plan
      • taking it easy
      • business plan wrote:
        Chelanga all the way!
        There's no way that Derrick and Fernandez have caught up to Chalenga's ability in just a year. Do you think that Chelanga is unable to improve over the course of a year just like them?

        Furthermore, Chelanga said in his post-race interview that he just took it easy cause he wasnt feeling well on that day.
        Yeah, he was taking it easy alright as Derrick was blowing by him. lol
    • tired already huh
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 7:50PM - in reply to sammy is the fav
      • tired already huh
      • sammy is the fav wrote:
        I agree I don't think you can change who the favorite is off of one race. Chelenga was so far ahead last year that he still has to be considered the favorite. I'm also tired of people assuming Fernandez is better than Derrick... I think Derrick will wind up having the better career and is already showing that he is surpassing fernandez
        Within this thread there are two posts that could reasonably be interpreted as assuming that Derrick is better than Fernandez and one that could reasonably be interpreted as assuming that Fernandez is better than Derrick. And you're tired of what?

        Derrick may have a better career than Fernandez when all is said and done. On the other hand, perhaps not. Do you have some inside information? Brilliant insight? Didn't think so. You're like everyone else - you don't really have the slightest clue how it will play out. Unlike everyone else you do seem to think you know something that you don't and you have a very clearly stated emotional bias toward one over the other.

        We're not impressed.
    • forest
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 8:08PM - in reply to do you
      • forest
      • do you wrote:
        future run wrote:
        no one's gonna consider how poor herman fernandez's run looked at chili pepper? looks like he might need to make osu's varsity before being picked as a candidate to win
        ...have a brain?
        what? i'm pretty sure he brought up a legit point, in a weekend where puskedra and derrick looked very good, and imo chelenga looked just as good as last year, german shat a brick. i'm gunna need to see alot more out of german before he's a canidate to win.

        he's what i think the chances should look like:
        derrick - 30%
        chelange - 25%
        puskedra - 25%
        german - 15%
        anyone else - 5%
    • cat bear elephant woman
      • RE: Post Pre-Nats who is now individual favourite? 10/18/2009 8:18PM - in reply to tired already huh
      • cat bear elephant woman
      • Emil Heineking from UVA is definitely a contender. While it's true that UVA's course is 180 meters short, in previous years it has still been quite a bit slower than Prenats, even despite the shortness. 23:16 on that course is mind-blowing. If he stays healthy, he is top 10 material.