It seems like those that put the shot at the highest level always are overweight (overfat). Why is this? Couldn't you have someone who is strong/powerful enough to be great at this event, but be height-weight proportionate? Any examples of this?
It seems like those that put the shot at the highest level always are overweight (overfat). Why is this? Couldn't you have someone who is strong/powerful enough to be great at this event, but be height-weight proportionate? Any examples of this?
The jav and discus seem to have huge but lean guys while in the shot most have beer guts. It's weird indeed.
it's not just fat or obesity...it's GIRTH that matters.
they are strong. they are athletes. because they are not 5;10'' 130lbs with bird chests and skinny little arms like yourself, does not mean they are not athletes.
Out-of-Wedlock-Danny wrote:
it's not just fat or obesity...it's GIRTH that matters.
they are strong. they are athletes. because they are not 5;10'' 130lbs with bird chests and skinny little arms like yourself, does not mean they are not athletes.
I agree they are athletes. I would expect that they would have big arms, chest, legs - but not a big gut. Or at least not all would have a big gut. I'm trying to understand how having a big gut can help...maybe it gives them additional leg strength from carrying around the excess weight?
They are using the weight of their body to throw the ball. More body weight equals a farther throw even if 70 pounds of it is gut.
An example I can think of as powerlifters. The strongest men in the world (see, for example, Andy Bolten
http://www.propeptide.com/gif/bolton-shrugs-340kg-8reps.jpg
) have the "fat" look. Whereas their bodybuilding counterparts, who are certainly strong but usually not AS strong, are leaner.
The additional fat and fluids in between the muscle tissue, ligaments, and joints seems to aid in the production of brute power, whether one is deadlifting or thowing the heavy shot or hammer.
Maybe runningart can chime in?
Intuitively you'd think it must related to simple mechanics: momentum, the thermodynamic law "for every reaction, there's an equal and opposite reaction."
As in, a hypothetical 140 lb runner who is equally strong as a 280 lb world-class shot putter would still only have about half the kinetic energy rotating before the throw. And if he were nonetheless able to manage a competitive throw, it'd probably knock him 10 meters back onto his ass.
The difference would be less for a 230 lb muscular but lean guy, but same principles apply.
Surely someone who's taken college physics in the last two decades could be more certain and more articulate about this.
fdsljkf;ads wrote:
The strongest men in the world (see, for example, Andy Bolten
http://www.propeptide.com/gif/bolton-shrugs-340kg-8reps.jpg) have the "fat" look.
They also appear to have the "down syndrome" look.
Many shot putters gain weight to increase thier strength. If a distance runner gained 40 pounds over 2 years and stopped running and started lifting they would have about the same body fat.
No.
Unless they eat like idiots. It's definitely possible to gain 40 pounds of muscle over 2 years with a strict diet and training regimen.
Look at NFL offensive lineman. You still think they would be better or stronger if they all didn't have huge guts. They extra mass helps. I can't explain it.
Bif Bradley wrote:
Look at NFL offensive lineman. You still think they would be better or stronger if they all didn't have huge guts. They extra mass helps. I can't explain it.
a lineman having more mass helps because people are trying to move them; the same way an car would be a decent center because no one could push it around. SPers seem to use a lot of speed (when rotating) to generate distance; seems like having less 'useless' weight would be better
a lineman having more mass helps because people are trying to move them
That's my point about "equal and opposite reaction" with the shot put - the force of launching the shot forward is trying to move them backward. Think of the recoil in a gun or cannon.
not newton wrote:
That's my point about "equal and opposite reaction" with the shot put - the force of launching the shot forward is trying to move them backward. Think of the recoil in a gun or cannon.
This seems like a good analogy.
I was just wondering why shot put athletes where heavy. No disrespect intended. Actually am glad their is room for everybody. If your good, then your good. And if your the best then your the best.
ochocincoooo wrote:
The jav and discus seem to have huge but lean guys while in the shot most have beer guts. It's weird indeed.
Werner Gunthor (see his youtube videos)
Guys perhaps you're all American. Werner Gunthor is an excellent example of an athlete / carved out of stone shot putter. apparently he had an insane 1 metre plus vertical jump. Ulf Timmerman and David Storl were / are pretty lean for shot putters. Guys like Reese Hoffa and indeed the great power lifter Andy Bolton genetically are big. Andy Bolton was 95kg as a 15 yr old. Additional BW does help increased strength but the up and coming shot putters from NZ are light compared to American shot putters weighing around 120kg (Tom Walsh / Jacki gill). Guys coming towards the end of their careers like Cantwell, Hoffa and Nelson are getting on a bit in age and could be sporting a bit of a middle aged spread!
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fdsljkf;ads wrote:
An example I can think of as powerlifters. The strongest men in the world (see, for example, Andy Bolten
http://www.propeptide.com/gif/bolton-shrugs-340kg-8reps.jpg) have the "fat" look. Whereas their bodybuilding counterparts, who are certainly strong but usually not AS strong, are leaner.
The additional fat and fluids in between the muscle tissue, ligaments, and joints seems to aid in the production of brute power, whether one is deadlifting or thowing the heavy shot or hammer.
Maybe runningart can chime in?
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