Carney-Gotcher-Bauhs, What Happened In Birmingham??

I don't think Carney did all that bad. Gotcher ran ok, Bauhs ran awfully, as he has been l;ately.

What happened th\o that kid? 27:48 to 1:06 HM, hasn't had a good race for Adidas yet. He'd better watch his ass- Adidas has cut with better runners than him.

Carney has gone low 1:02 before. Are 1:04:00, 1:05:43, 1:06:07 at all good for top US runners at a World Championships? Ritz set a PR and Carlson was within a minute of his PR today. Those two showed up ready to represent. The US team had a real shot at the podium if just one of those bottom three had run within half a minute of his PR.

Yeah, all 3 of these guys just did not run very well.

For Gotcher this was probably a wake-up call, as I believe it's his first time racing internationally.

For Carney and Bauhs, these guys were great in 2008 but have been cold all year. Better picks would have been: Trafeh, Lehmkuhle, or Hartmann. But all of them either ran TCM the week before this race or will run NYC in two weeks.

Hartmann ran 2:12 and is on the upswing in the marathon, and Trafeh could also be a great marathon guy for us. Lehm is not likely to ever make a US Olympic team but he has definitely been a part of the marathon 'resurgence' to the extent it exists.

I think we will see some US marathoning depth shine in NYC.

How did Bauhs make this team? Adidas will give him the "boot"..

Bauhs has not done much since leaving Chico and Towne. But he has not been in Mammoth all that long and everybodys body is different in adjusting to altitude. I'm sure he will come along just fine shortly.

Watching the race right now. finally.

at 10km, USA was not even listed for a team score. They showe down thru 7th. We finished 4th in the end. That's not too damn bad. Those guys might not have run what they wanted or what we had hoped (outside of Riz of course), but in all the USA team ran quite well and the world HM championships.

He actually has not been in Mammoth, he has been at sea level since early spring. Mahon's training might just not be as good for Scott as Towne's.

I agree. 9 seconds faster gets them on the podium and the best team placing in a major event in quite some time.

US runners probably got the halfway report and cruised in. For holding a press conference on going pro, Bauhs needs to step it up a notch.

Bauhs may need to be trained like Bob Kennedy (Sam Bell=high quality low mileage) or he is maladapting to the altitude (nonresponder).

Usually runners blossom the year after college since they are training full time and not over-raced from the college scene.

I'm just estatic that a quality US team toed the line today and ran competitively in tough competition....unlike in World Cross-Country where we collectively gaff it off. Perhaps this taste of team success may wet the whistle of our US superstars and motivate them to come together and field a true "Dream Team" in March 2010 for World Cross. Imagine Ritz, Ryan, Meb, Teg, Solinsky, Rupp, Lagat, Goucher, et al....toeing the line and taking a medal from the East African nations. Imagine what that would do for the sport!!!

lickety Split wrote:

Perhaps this taste of team success may wet the whistle of our US superstars

run_for_free wrote:

Usually runners blossom the year after college since they are training full time and not over-raced from the college scene.

"Usually" is definitely not the case, "sometimes" would be much better word choice. The transition from college to post-college is precisely that--a transition. Many are able to blossom because of the full time training. Others take a while to flourish because of the coaching change. And others just f*** up and never get back to where they were for whatever reason (missing team collegiality, losing killer instinct, not being able to pay bills, etc.)

Bauh's transition has the additional factor of moving from sea level to altitude, so we should withhold judgment for sometime to see how things play out.

Bauhs is hardly ever in Mammoth. His breakthrough in college also came after a summer spent at altitude. The altitude is not the factor.

To the guy talking about him needing to do more intense training and less mileage, the opposite is once again true. His workouts are more intense now and his mileage in college was 90-100.

So far speculation here has been 0/2

I think Scotty just needs some time to adjust. A lot of things changed in his training (volume, intensity, workout partners, etc.), and I don't find it surprising that it would take him more than a few months to adapt to that.

whoa whoa whoa, slow down everyone, I read like the first 10 posts, but it was Baugh's first year as a professionally. EVERYTHING has changed for him, new town, new coach, new teammates, new lifestyle. Give him a year or two to get into the rhythm.

since being a professional athlete means that you have no major obligations other than training, it is easy for professional athletes to over-train in their first year or two as professionals. when solinsky joined schumacher post-collegiately, solinsky's mileage was actually scaled back a little bit because they knew his training cycle would be longer, going through the summer and starting up again in the fall. since professional athletes sometimes race less than collegiate athletes, more time is spent training as opposed to breaking up the training which is usually accompanied by rest and recovery days. when the training is more consistent, the body is not use to it, like for example, going 2-3 months straight without running a race. the consistent abuse to the body can get old after a while. however, i imagine mahon knows what he's doing. it's been one race. yeah, it wasn't up to par for Bauhs, especially since he's already run a 62/63 HM before (last year?), so we know he's capable of running better. nothing to stress about, especially since we are not stakeholders in his success.

You guys are hilarious. Wasn't there a thread posted here just a few months ago predicting him to break the US 10,000m record? Now you have him losing his contract, not training correctly (I'm sure you all have the "inside scoop" of how he is currently/should be training), and needing to make a major change (coach, location, training). The Baughs bandwagon must be coated with oil.

Holy Ess! Am I the only one that hasn't heard of the guy in 90th place?

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/biographies/country=SEY/athcode=240575/index.html