HOW FAST do you need to run to be considered "SUB-ELITE" ?

4:05y. 14:00. 28:50

Thanks, but I was looking for a "range." So "sub elite" would be from just outside of elite to just before sub sub elite. Is 4:05 the slowest you can run to be sub-elite, or the fastest since if you're faster you become "elite?"

What's Sub-Elite for the half marathon and full?

Obviously sub-elite is a subjective term. I consider sub-elite to describe someone who is competitive at State level but not National level.

mile 3:55-4:10

5000 13:40-14:20

10k 28:30-30:00

1/2 63-66

Mar 2h14-2:19

Totally subjective, but I think of it as about the top 10% of post-collegiate, competitive runners, where "competitive" means that the main limiting factor in your training is your body's ability to absorb training, rather than your work schedule, dedication, etc.

How is a 63 half marathon competitive at the State Level but not NAtional lol? What are you smoking?

so still qualifying for the oly trials is 'sub - elite' ???

to get into the "sub-elite" start at NYC marathon you need to show evidence of being able to run at slowest 2:35. but that is their definition, clearly not the view of others here

farun wrote:

so still qualifying for the oly trials is 'sub - elite' ???

I would say yes to that. Elite are the people vying for medals at the games.

The Reader wrote:

farun wrote:

so still qualifying for the oly trials is 'sub - elite' ???

I would say yes to that. Elite are the people vying for medals at the games.

Especially for the marathon, qualifying for the trials is not close to an "elite" performance. Most above average college kids can do it if they tried.

Remember too, "elite" in this country is a lot different than "elite" in Kenya. So for the US I'd say

Elite - faster than 2:14, faster than 28:30, faster than 13:50;

Sub Elite - faster than 2:25, faster than 30:30, faster than 14:30

In my opinion..

The Reader wrote:

I would say yes to that. Elite are the people vying for medals at the games.

So guys like Brian Sell and Ritz (2:10 marathoners) are not elite marathoners? You're off your rocker.

Sub-elite, in my mind, is someone who can qualify (or at least come close to it) for a national level competition, but won't really ever be in the running.

mile 4:00-4:08

5k 13:50-14:20

10K 28:50-29:30

13.1 1:04-1:06

26.2 2:16-2:23

It all depends on where you are.

Sub-elite is generally considered the fastest times for a non-full time amature runner. Elite is generally considered times a professional full time runner should be able to run. But this can vary widely depending on the event.

Smaller marathons will grant elite status if you can run under 2:30. The big ones want sub 2:10, but will let US runners with sub 2:15 in to keep the US fans happy.

In the track world, times for elites can be decieving because of tactics. Also, there is not as big of a sub-elite crowd for track because of the lack of events compared to road racing.

If there was a universal standard for sub-elites, I think it would be as follows:

1500: 3:55-4:10

5000: 13:55-14:30 track; 14:30-15:15 road

10000: 29:00-30:00 track; 31:00-32:00 road

1/2: 67-70

26.2: 2:25-2:35

moloradocudstuffin wrote:

So guys like Brian Sell and Ritz (2:10 marathoners) are not elite marathoners? You're off your rocker.

Sub-elite, in my mind, is someone who can qualify (or at least come close to it) for a national level competition, but won't really ever be in the running.

mile 4:00-4:08

5k 13:50-14:20

10K 28:50-29:30

13.1 1:04-1:06

26.2 2:16-2:23

It is all relative. On the world level, no, they are not elite. Sure, they are elite for the US.

It depends on where you live.

I would say the following:

Roads:

5k- Under 15:00

8K- Under 25:00

10K- Under 31:00

1/2- Under 1:10:00

Marathon- Under 2:30

Do many post collegiates run on the track if they're not qualifying for Nationals? I guess I would say:

1500- Under 3:50

5k- Under 14:15

10k- Under 29:30

It seems that my road times are much slower then the track times. Though this is true, it is a function of how many people participate in road running versus track running post collegiately.

I know of very few road races that aren't won or aren't at least VERY high placed with the above times. For the track times, a post collegiate that is running as fast as a Regional D1 qualifier should probably be considered sub-elite. I don't know how many of you have run track post-collegiately (while working full time)... its HARD to be in track shape while working and not being part of a collegiate team.

Harloverme wrote:

moloradocudstuffin wrote:

So guys like Brian Sell and Ritz (2:10 marathoners) are not elite marathoners? You're off your rocker.

Sub-elite, in my mind, is someone who can qualify (or at least come close to it) for a national level competition, but won't really ever be in the running.

mile 4:00-4:08

5k 13:50-14:20

10K 28:50-29:30

13.1 1:04-1:06

26.2 2:16-2:23

It is all relative. On the world level, no, they are not elite. Sure, they are elite for the US.

9th at the olympics isn't elite??

I put the elite/sub-elite line at qualifying for USATF.

So a sub-elite would be someone who is trying to hit the national standard.

The slow end range is hard to pin down.

I think of 13:45-14:15, 28:45-29:30, 65, 2:16-2:18, maybe 2:19, as sub elite. They obviously train and do extremely well compared to other runners, but they'll never challenge the top fields.

In a sport like baseball, what would sub-elite be? AAA, AA, A?

I'll make an assumption and say that if you consider someone playing for a single-A team to be sub-elite in baseball and you applied that to track/roads, you'd have to open the door a little wider than 4:05/14:15/29:30/65/2:20.

gopher1 wrote:

Obviously sub-elite is a subjective term. I consider sub-elite to describe someone who is competitive at State level but not National level.

mile 3:55-4:10

5000 13:40-14:20

10k 28:30-30:00

1/2 63-66

Mar 2h14-2:19

What the hell is "competitive at the state level"?

Are there "state championships" in senior running now?