Ryan Hall is just as sciency as Salazar's group!

Those aren't that fancy. They similar to the things diabetics use to get blood flowing back up from their legs. It just stops pooling of blood.

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I'm not even sure Rupp has rocked these yet.

Oregon Project was using hyperbaric chambers 6+ years ago.

Once Sara Hall gets on Viagra, then they will have started to close the science gap with Alberto.

That looks like a pair of military anti-shock trousers (MAST) or pnuematic anti-shock garments (PASG). They are used to treat hypovolemic shock by forcing blood out of the legs and towards the vital organs/brain. From what I hear, if you aren't careful you can get blood clots or drop your BP really low when you let the air out.

That being said, I doubt that is what Hall has on his legs.

They are not hyperbaric chambers. The boots are compression devices:"Unlike the simple intermittent compression devices which have been around for decades, the NormaTec MVP, like its medical cousin the NormaTec PCD, mimics normal physiology to help athletes recover rapidly after workouts, injury and surgery. Although static external compression through wraps and compression garments has been used for years, the NormaTec MVP's physiologically-based dynamic compression profoundly improves circulation and alleviates symptoms. "http://www.normatecsports.com/productinfo.html

Tirty Tree wrote:

Oregon Project was using hyperbaric chambers 6+ years ago.

Once Sara Hall gets on Viagra, then they will have started to close the science gap with Alberto.

Tirty Tree wrote:

Oregon Project was using hyperbaric chambers 6+ years ago.

Once Sara Hall gets on Viagra, then they will have started to close the science gap with Alberto.

What performance enhancing effects does Viagra have? Does it work for both genders or only just girls? My uncle has a prescription that I could jack.

deraylicious wrote:

What performance enhancing effects does Viagra have? Does it work for both genders or only just girls? My uncle has a prescription that I could jack.

interesting.

Plus, if it is a close race, and there is a "lean" at the tape........... viagra magic might let you win by a couple of inches your might not normally have!

Shitloads of pro endurance athletes and wannabe's are buying Normatecs. They are quite the rage, especially amongst triathlete.

I have used them. I thought they worked very well especially as a replacement for ice baths--far more comfortable.

As for Viagra, there is no performance enhancement (running wise). The initial reports have not been replicated elsewhere. (A friend's colleague has been doing research in that area for the army).

The Chipotle (now Garmin) cycling team starting using these amoung a number of other techniques inn 2008 during the TDF. The team Dr. Alan Lim had a number of devices they used to aid in speeding up recovery between stages. I would assume that the elite runners have picked up on much of this as it would help in recovery between workouts. Some interesting techniques used, not sure how many of them work as advertised, but that team sure believed in them.

I prefer my placebos to be sugary, personally.

How much do these things cost?

The version Hall is using costs $4850. A review:http://shaundoreenevankeegan.blogspot.com/2009/04/normatec-mvp.html

globham wrote:

How much do these things cost?

deraylicious wrote:

What performance enhancing effects does Viagra have? Does it work for both genders or only just girls? My uncle has a prescription that I could jack.

It's a vasodilator, so it allows more blood (and thus O2) to go to working muscles.

Obviously, there are prohibitive side effects for men (though nothing a little duct tape can't fix) but I'm sure Amy Y.B. is singing it's praises.

The cheaper version is a pair of Full length compression stockings. wear them for a few hours with your legs slightly raised and it will drain the garbage from your legs just as quick.

Negative pressure on the legs in NOTHING like Hyperbaric chamber treatment. Totally different animals. Hyperbaric is essentually hyperoxygenation of the body and body tissue. Just because you put something on your legs and it has the same pressure that Hyperbolic champer has, doent mean oxygen will seap into your legs. This machine is far less scienency then a hyperbaric chamber. He could probably get the same results with a massage and wearing some tight stockings.

The dog tracks banned it so I'm sure it probably does have some PE effects. Uh, running performance that is.

Tirty Tree wrote:

deraylicious wrote:

What performance enhancing effects does Viagra have? Does it work for both genders or only just girls? My uncle has a prescription that I could jack.

It's a vasodilator, so it allows more blood (and thus O2) to go to working muscles.

Obviously, there are prohibitive side effects for men (though nothing a little duct tape can't fix) but I'm sure Amy Y.B. is singing it's praises.

Tirty Tree wrote:

It's a vasodilator, so it allows more blood (and thus O2) to go to working muscles.

Obviously, there are prohibitive side effects for men (though nothing a little duct tape can't fix) but I'm sure Amy Y.B. is singing it's praises.

While it is a vasodilator, it does not increase blood flow to the muscles. It is specific for one isoform of an enzyme involved in regulating vessel diameter (PDE5 I believe), which is mainly found in your penis and also your eyes (that disclaimer about blindness is there for a reason). The JAP article that is quoted about the benefits states

The 2006 research, in the Journal of Applied Physiology, found that it did not work for all athletes and was not a significant performance enhancer at sea level.

That being said it is possible that PDE5 is located in places that we don't really know about and it may have an effect. Even the possibility of a benefit means that people will take it.

None of this stuff outdoes Josh McDougal's hyperbolic time chamber

http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php?s=35ea783bb87ff9b5082bffe97b039120&t=17212