Some Fast Times Today at:

Its definitely a bit short. Talent/Time ratio's just don't match up with that sort of depth.

33 guys under 25 minutes? Nope. I'd guess its at least 30-45 seconds fast/200-250 meters short.

I was there, they always do a great job measuring the course, but it did seem like the times were too fast, so who knows.

The course wasn't short I measured it and mssu always does a good job at keeping it accurate, the course could have been faster but there were numerous turns and hilly throughout the course. Temperature was perfect, mid 70's maybe and started to sprinkle a little bit

I just talked to someone who GPSed it and they said it came up about 200 meters short.

Afamc wrote:

The course wasn't short I measured it and mssu always does a good job at keeping it accurate, the course could have been faster but there were numerous turns and hilly throughout the course. Temperature was perfect, mid 70's maybe and started to sprinkle a little bit

lol, looks like someone wants there new PR to be legit. Ive ran this course several times in the past and it was shorter today. I got 180m short. Typically this course is about 30m short anyway.

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I have run this course in the past and it always seemed fast but today it seems as though it was just absurdly fast. From what I know of guys and what they can run it seemed about 30-40 seconds fast. The thing is it is hard to believe that it isn't the same course they have run for who knows how long.

They had to change the course because the football team is going to be getting an indoor practice facility right in the middle of the old start.

talent/time ratio is too fast?

did you take a look at who was in the race? arkansas, harding...etc

when you have these guys taking it out quick everyone is going to follow them and grab nice times as a result. perfect conditions today as well. Gps'd it and it came to 4.9

First time is previous PR. I just did the top few guys who's PRs were easy to find with out searching through hundreds of meet results...

Daniel Kirwa 23:48 23:11 Today (37 second PR)

Lane Boyer 24:40 23:23 Today (1:17 PR)

Silas Kisorio 24:34 23:43 Today (51 second PR)

Micheal Pierce 24:44 23:56 Today (48 second PR)

Rick Elliot 24:56 24:09 Today (57 second PR)

Tim Testa 25:13 24:31 Today (42 second PR)

MJ Hassaballa 25:28 24:34 Today (54 second PR)

Phillip Biwott 24:19 24:11 Today (8 seconds off PR)

Michael Chinchir 24:46 24:32 Today (14 second off PR)

Russel Patrick 24:47 25:32 Today (45 second PR)

Rio Riena 24:52 25:09 Today (17 second PR

Brennon Benkert 24:52 25:36 Today (44 second PR)

So on and so forth....To conclude...there are some HUGE Prs there from some top guys, early in the season. A lot of the old PRs were set on notoriously fast courses and much later in the season....

The course was short.

1 Kirwa, Daniel SO Harding 23:11.07

2 Boyer, Lane JR U. A.R. 23:23.05

4 kisorio, silas SO O.K. Christian 23:43.40

7 Pierce, Michael SR S.W. Baptist 23:56.89

12 Elliott, Rick SO U. of A.R. 24:09.58

13 Biwott, Philip SO Harding University 24:19.51

16 Testa, Tim SR Pittsburg St 24:31.14

17 Hassaballa, Mujahid SR Pittsburg St 24:34.43

22 Chinchar, Michael JR U. of A.R 24:46.61

23 Russell, Patrick JR U. of A.R. 24:47.43

27 Benkert, Brennon SR M.S.S.U. 24:52.38

28 Reina, Rio SR U. of A.R. 24:52.59

look at the damn course

1 Galen Rupp Oregon 22:55.14 1

2 Luke Puskedra Oregon 23:32.11 2

3 Chris Derrick Stanford 23:38.17 3

4 Garrett Heath Stanford 23:41.18 4

5 Shadrack Kiptoo-Biwott Oregon 23:42.50 5

6 Yosef Ghebray California 23:43.03 6

7 Jake Riley Stanford 23:44.29 7

8 Drew Shackleton U.C.L.A. 23:45.89 8

9 Andrew Wheating Oregon 23:46.79 9

10 Jeremy Mineau Washington 23:47.40 10

11 Matthew Centrowitz Oregon 23:47.95 11

12 Curtis Suver Oregon 23:48.89 12

13 Hakon DeVries Stanford 23:55.53 13

14 Mark Matusak California 23:56.91 14

15 Kelly Spady Washington 23:57.63 15

16 Jake Schmitt Washington 24:04.51 16

17 Danny Mercado Oregon 24:10.71 17

18 Drew Polley Washington St. 24:14.05 18

19 Mike Haddan U.C.L.A. 24:15.86 19

20 Elliott Heath Stanford 24:17.48 20

21 Michael Coe California 24:22.60 21

22 Marlon Patterson U.C.L.A. 24:25.10 22

23 Kenny Klotz Oregon 24:26.71

24 Brendan Gregg Stanford 24:29.46 23

25 Mohamud Ige Arizona 24:30.75 24

26 Mark Moeller Washington St. 24:31.23 25

27 Chris Winter Oregon 24:31.96

28 Patrick Milloy Arizona State 24:32.61 26

29 Marco Anzures U.C.L.A. 24:35.69 27

30 Abdi Hassan Arizona 24:38.48 28

31 Kari Karlsson California 24:38.84 29

32 Kent Morikawa U.C.L.A. 24:41.73 30

33 Jordan Swarthout Washington 24:44.16 31

34 Colton Tully-Doyle Washington 24:45.82 32

35 Victor Zazueta Arizona 24:47.77 33

36 Steve Sodaro California 24:48.01 34

37 Chris Mocko Stanford 24:48.49 35

38 Kevin Sullivan U.C.L.A. 24:49.76 36

39 Sam Ahlbeck Washington St. 24:52.69 37

40 Noah Shannon Arizona State 24:54.80 38

41 Dominic Smargiassi Washington St. 24:55.87 39

42 Scott Wall Oregon 24:56.46

43 Jon Harding Washington 24:57.50 40

44 Chris Ahl Washington 24:57.88 41

45 Hari Mix Stanford 24:59.29

46 Laef Barnes U.C.L.A. 25:04.09 42

47 David Mehlhorn Arizona State 25:05.61 43

48 J.T. Sullivan Stanford 25:07.85

49 Dylan Fitzpatrick Arizona 25:10.26 44

50 Santos Castro Arizona State 25:15.81 45

51 Ben Engelhardt Arizona State 25:17.48 46

52 Dylan Hatcher Arizona State 25:17.66 47

53 Alex Crabill U.C.L.A. 25:19.39

54 Alec Bromka Washington 25:20.40

55 Matt Miller California 25:23.31 48

56 Maxime Chevee California 25:23.71 49

57 Justin Englund Washington St. 25:24.42 50

58 Brian MacArthur Arizona 25:28.12 51

59 David Hickerson Washington St. 25:28.58 52

60 Eric Lee California 25:29.01

61 Jonathan Lafler Washington St. 25:29.29 53

62 Daniel Lovell Arizona State 25:30.01 54

63 Reed Blochberger Arizona 25:30.08 55

64 David McDonald U.C.L.A. 25:30.65

65 Matt Hansdavid Miller California 25:35.85

66 Nectaly Barbosa Arizona State 25:44.17

67 Peter Miller Washington St. 25:45.06

68 Jun Reichl U.C.L.A. 25:46.63

69 Caleb Knox Washington 25:47.63

70 Thomas Petersen Arizona State 25:52.58

71 Carlos Rybeck Arizona 25:57.14 56

72 Luke Lemenager Washington St. 25:57.15

memememememememememe wrote:

http://www.mssu.edu/athletics/images/xc8k.jpg

look at the damn course

uh...whats your point?

scabbers wrote:

talent/time ratio is too fast?

did you take a look at who was in the race? arkansas, harding...etc

when you have these guys taking it out quick everyone is going to follow them and grab nice times as a result. perfect conditions today as well. Gps'd it and it came to 4.9

4.9 means it was SHORT... 8k is 4.97...

My 305 definitely got 4.96 so a little short but nothing extreme....

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5318/mssu.jpg

Super short 5k about 130 meters

www.usatf.org/routes/view.asp?rID=325138

No, the 5K wasn't short, if anything it was a little long. The map that you just made doesn't follow the course correctly, it would be almost impossible to check it on this site since they cut new paths since google maps has been updated. The 8K however, was short.

Also, you didn't take the part on the far right far enough, it goes almost even with the fence line.