the next great US marathoner!

ayuh deah wrote:

Nice that Bekele wanted Luchini to be an offical pace setter for him at the Pre Classic where he ran 4th fastest 10K ever

http://www.iaaf.org/GP08/news/kind=100/newsid=45236.html

think luchini still holds the Stanford all time 5K record?

I mean Luchini could maybe have paced him through what, 3k at most?

haha, YO wrote:

I mean Luchini could maybe have paced him through what, 3k at most?

still that Bekele wanted Louie in the race and gave him some pacing duties speaks volumes. there are many others he didn't ask? including us. my OP was that I think Louie will be a great marathoner. I will stand by my orginal point.

here's more for those that have never heard of him

ayuh deah wrote:

still that Bekele wanted Louie in the race and gave him some pacing duties speaks volumes. there are many others he didn't ask? including us. my OP was that I think Louie will be a great marathoner. I will stand by my orginal point.

Your original point is ridiculously presumptuous. Bekele probably wouldn't know Louie Luchini from Susan Lucci. It was probably the meet director, working with his agent as well as Vin Lananna, who came up with Luchini as a suggested pacesetter.

presumptous or not still standing firm that he will be a successful marathon runner, what do you think?

guys l;e wrote:

Guys like that are a dime-a-dozen.

you are a dope and a moron and should not be allowed further comment.

louie was a stone cold stud in college. right there with or just behind ritz, hall and teg when they were at their best but he was way more consistent throughout his college years. look at how many times he was all american you moron. creep's like you are a dime-a-dozen on this message board.

....rather it was the meet director or cousin Vinny that put him there, Louie was still in the race, were you? and I bet ya Bekele knows who susan lucci is too... I hear they love soap operas over in Ethiopia..but let's not get off track bet louie will run 2:10-2:12 in his debut or in his 2nd effort at 26.2

right on dickie thon! good to see there are a few of us that know and appreciate real talent...speaking of wheels does anybody here even know who Bruce Bickford is? for those who haven't a clue he was ranked #1 in the world at 10K and yup, he too was from a small town in Maine, just like Louie.

Oh now you're going to that lazy, idiotic argument? I was only pointing out that you were making a huge leap of logic from him being in the race to Bekele specifically requesting that he be in the race. Don't try to turn it around, it's a silly fanboy bit of irrationality. You weren't in the race either, sycophant. I don't have any stake in what Louie runs in the marathon, but I agree that he has good potential and do wish him well.

Child, please. wrote:

Oh now you're going to that lazy, idiotic argument? I was only pointing out that you were making a huge leap of logic from him being in the race to Bekele specifically requesting that he be in the race. Don't try to turn it around, it's a silly fanboy bit of irrationality. You weren't in the race either, sycophant. I don't have any stake in what Louie runs in the marathon, but I agree that he has good potential and do wish him well.

huh? did your mommy stop breast feeding you too soon or what? I hate to point out it's you 'mr english lanuage' that went off presumptuously thinking Bekele didn't even know who he was running with, just curious how in f*ck do you know? are you a f*ckin mind reader too? As for turing anything around why don't you crawl back in the hole you came out of you irrational syophant. as for anyone being a 'fanboy I flush things older than you. I have no stake in what Louie does either, just pointing out he has great potential to which you seem to agree.

Pathetic. Try again when you're ready to really bring it, otherwise stop wasting your time and mine.

ayuh deah wrote:

huh? did your mommy stop breast feeding you too soon or what? I hate to point out it's you 'mr english lanuage' that went off presumptuously thinking Bekele didn't even know who he was running with, just curious how in f*ck do you know? are you a f*ckin mind reader too? As for turing anything around why don't you crawl back in the hole you came out of you irrational syophant. as for anyone being a 'fanboy I flush things older than you. I have no stake in what Louie does either, just pointing out he has great potential to which you seem to agree.

latest update:

Luchini 1:06 high for half marathon alone today. Solid effort.

ayuh deah wrote:

bet you a buck that this guy will be an awesome marathon runner. only time will tell. don't forget his name

http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/119948.html

Louie doesn't have the stomach for long term marathon development needed to be a "great" marathoner. IF Louie sticks with the marathon (which I don't think he will) for long, I'm predicting 2:15-2:19. I see him running 3 or 4 marathons and moving on to the next adventure. Again, it won't be a matter of talent but a question of long term, consistent marathon-specific development. He'll bonk mentally.

Wendell Gee wrote:

latest update:

Luchini 1:06 high for half marathon alone today. Solid effort.

For a girl.

Sex change wrote:

Wendell Gee wrote:

latest update:

Luchini 1:06 high for half marathon alone today. Solid effort.

For a girl.

A girl running close to the womens WR is doing a little better than a 'solid effort'.

piedmontcat wrote:

Louie doesn't have the stomach for long term marathon development needed to be a "great" marathoner. IF Louie sticks with the marathon (which I don't think he will) for long, I'm predicting 2:15-2:19. I see him running 3 or 4 marathons and moving on to the next adventure. Again, it won't be a matter of talent but a question of long term, consistent marathon-specific development. He'll bonk mentally.

since when is 2:15-2:19 bad? It's good enougth to qualify for the Mens' Oly trials. On his 'girlish' 1:06 effort if you have even half a brain you know his 13:25 speed will lower that by many minutes as he gets back from surgery.

uuuuuu1 wrote:

piedmontcat wrote:

Louie doesn't have the stomach for long term marathon development needed to be a "great" marathoner. IF Louie sticks with the marathon (which I don't think he will) for long, I'm predicting 2:15-2:19. I see him running 3 or 4 marathons and moving on to the next adventure. Again, it won't be a matter of talent but a question of long term, consistent marathon-specific development. He'll bonk mentally.

since when is 2:15-2:19 bad? It's good enougth to qualify for the Mens' Oly trials. On his 'girlish' 1:06 effort if you have even half a brain you know his 13:25 speed will lower that by many minutes as he gets back from surgery.

Actually, I never said 2:15-2:19 was bad. He would be a 2nd or 3rd tier type American marathoner, with out top guys going 2:06-2:11 (very few), a bit more running 2:12-2:14, and the third group of guys running anywhere from 2:15-2:22 (these are your Nate Jenkins/Moulton/Terry Shea's, etc.). I think it's a very fair assessment that 2:15 will never render the title "great marathoner". I'm wishing Louie the best, as I really hope he can make a long, steady go at the marathon.

The biggest variable that noone has mentioned yet is the timing of this comeback. I find it very encouraging for American distance running when the standards have been raised so high recently that we can now agree that a 2:15 marathon should be considered sub-standard for a guy with 13:25 5k speed. If Louie can keep his nose to the ground for a few years with the right training, he could be a consistent 2:12ish type runner, but that's the determining factor that will probably keep him out of that range. Hope he proves me wrong and gut it out for 5 or 6 years.

By the way that 1:06 half was run completely solo in Bar Harbor, ME and was by no means flat.

it all depends on what is considered great here are some criteria i use.

1. make the all time top 100 performers list, in the marrathon it is currently at 2:07.35

2. make top 10 in the world in your event by track and field news or some other legitimate ranking system.

3. win 2 or more major races, for the marathon it could be NYC, boston, london, dubai, rotterdam etc. i put down 2 as doing it one time could be a fluke, do it twice or preferably more it is legit.

4. placing top 3 in olympics or world champs.

some would say my standards are too low and have for criteria

1. a world record

2. being ranked #1 in the world

3. winning a certain # of top notch races

and some will say my definition of great is too high and they can lower the term great as low as they personally want.

with louie luchini i cant see him being great, but i could see him being a 2:11-2:14 runner.

Big G wrote:

By the way that 1:06 half was run completely solo in Bar Harbor, ME and was by no means flat.

Actually it was in Portland and was moderately hilly. But it was solo.