American Steeple Chase struggled at Worlds, at least on the mens side. There Needs to be a revolution. in every other event the Americans have at least some type of presence in the world scene... except the steeplechase.
we have 2 years until the next World Championship. I am calling all steeplers to step it up and get someone into a final in 2011.
PLEASE!!!
by the way... here is a list of all the americans to ever get under 8:20.
lets add 2 or 3 more before 2011 Worlds
1. Dan Lincoln- 8:08.82
2. Henry Marsh- 8:09.17
3. Mark Croghan- 8:09.79
4. Brian Diemer-8:13.16
5. Mark Davis 8:14.26
6. Tim Broe 8:14.82
7. Steve Slattery 8:15.69
8. Pascal Dobert 8:15.77
9. Ivan Huff 8:16.59
10. Daniel Lopez 8:16.88
11. Tom nohilly 8:16.92
12. Anthony Famigletti 8:17.91
13. John Gregoreck 8.18.45
14. Robert Gary 8:19.26
15. Farley Gerber 8:19.27
16. Doug Brown 8:19.29
17. Brian Olinger 8:19.29
18. Jim Cooper 8:19.88
the steeple def. needs some new blood.
What kinda flat 3000 speed is needed 8:02?
When spiked, his will-power seals the wound.
If asked to steeple, he responds: “Not yet, but in time.”
His high-socks make the Africans quiver.
He does not hug the rail, the rail hugs him.
He is: “The World Most Interesting Runner”
Chris Solinsky: “While I don’t take walking breaks, I prefer being a badass… Keep running my friends.”
There are a lot of guys in the event right now that just had bad years but will be back. In the past 3 years US steeple chasers have produced 10 of the top 52 US times of all time.
current US steepler's with prs all time US rank and year ran. I pulled this of a list that went as deep as 8:26.
1. Lincoln 8:08.82 2006 (I think he will make it back)
7. Slattery 8:15.69 2007 (08 and 09 were bad but he could get going again)
12. Fam 8:17.34 2008 (never now what he will do)
17. Olinger 8:19.29 2007 (inconsistent but likes to mix it up and go for fast times)
19. Aguayo 8:20.34 2007 (had a few bad injuries and was out a full year of no running. Made it back to USA's this year. He can come back stronger next year)
23. Huling 8:20.84 2008 (also ran 8:21 this year)
24. McAdams 8:21.36 2007 (has run the A standard the last three years and made 2 world and 1 Olympic team)
26. Alcorn 8:21.46 2008 (not a great year beside some how getting on the world team)
27. Nelson 8:21.47 2008 (bad first year out of college, maybe just adjusting)
52. Bruce 8:26 2009 (big break through this year, should have made world team, can he break through again next year?)
ALSO Perry 8:29 2009 (NCAA champ, could mix it up next year)
That is 11 guys. If you can get about 7 or 8 of them ready to roll in the same race at Nationals it will raise the bar.
All events have down years the 1500, 5000, and 10000 have all had a real bad year in the past 5 years. This was the steeples year. They will get it going again
I heard Solinsky wanted to try a steeple but now that he is getting closer to where he wants to be as a 5k guy he may hold off.
I do agree when you said perry could mix it up next year. 4th at USA's this year, and NCAA champ. in his flotrack interview after he won NCAA's he said it was his 6th steeple. thats a good sign. room for improvement still.
I think Aguayo will get back on his groove when he can put some healthy running together and Billy Nelson will get under 8:20 in the next 10-12 months.
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At least we have some steeplers training together. We need their coaches to start talking about 8:10 instead of 8:20!
Eyestone with Macadmas and Perry.
Gary with Huling and Olinger.
Quintana with Alcorn and Aguayo.
OTC with Bruce and Nelson.
If Lincoln is healthy, he is way better than anyone.
Fam seems to be moving to longer stuff and just could never run much faster than 8:18 (even when super fit!)
good point. But Perry and McAdams don't train together. McAdams is in Memphis for Optometry school. ame coach but do not train together.
Pretty sure Alcorn was in Fresno most of last year away from Aguayo but they may be back together at this point.
Also, Jake Morse just joined up with the Eugene boys of Bruce and Nelson, and also Tom Brooks. Remember he did make the 07 world team.
With Gary coaching (and his experience with Crogan), I think Olinger and Huling will figure things out the next couple years to join Lincoln at 8:12! OTC guys had a horrible USA's which worries me about new coach. I agree that Fam should be done with steeplechase.
OTC didn't have that terrible of USA's. Look at each coach that had multiple athletes in the final
Rowland: Nelson had a bad day. Brooks ran the way he has been running the last two years. Bruce ran well and had a bit of a break through this year.
Gary's group: Olinger ran bad at USA's. Huling ran well
Loui Quitanna's boys: Alcorn good, Aguayo not so good
Eyestones boys: McAdams great, Perry good
If you look at it this way each coach had some success and a little disappointment except Eyestone with two good athletes. The coach can only do so much. Much of what happens is up to the athlete.
what about the rumor solinsky would try the steeple? he would be a sub 8:12 steepler.
I will be a sub 8:15 steepler by next sept! then all those guys listed above will have someone new to worry about
However, with those stats, right now is the fastest # of currently competing steeplechasers we have had at one time (look at all the sub-8:24 guys we have). Probably more than any country except Kenya!
McAdams ran well in Europe before his injury slowed him down at the Worlds, 3rd at Heudsen in 8:22 and 5th in Stockholm in 8:25, neither of those races were fast races unfortunately or else he probably would have run well clear of 8:20.
Nelson dealt with intermittent hamstring and hip problems all season and could never hit full stride. I'm sure next season will be closer to 8:15 for him.
For u I'll try to make a come back and try to make the us team ur right we need steeplers
good thread. I thought it was a bad year as a whole for US steeple guys but they can turn it around. The still had a some bright spots and most o the big names are still young in their career and have faster times ahead of them.
McAdams at 28 is the oldest of guys in the final this year at USA's aside from Tom Kloos
Rand0m H3ro wrote:
Nelson dealt with intermittent hamstring and hip problems all season and could never hit full stride. I'm sure next season will be closer to 8:15 for him.
Yea, but he threw a season best in the shot. Maybe he should hurt his hamstring more often.