NYC Club Champs

You are pathetic wrote:

Don't like being the small fish? Sounds like you need a new perspective. Work hard and rise to your competition instead of trying to water it down. wahwawhawwah

Not at all. WTCs Africans live in the Bronx and are moe than welcome at the _NYC_ Club Champs.

>>1. As proven already, WTC does not comprise of guys living inside NYC.

As said before, they do indeed (Bronx).

>>>2. Yes, WTC runners may have spanked NYAC. However, WTC runners are basically Pros, since they have no to minimal jobs other than to run and win prize money races. Whereas NYAC (also MTC/CPTC/etc.) comprise of runners who work anywhere between 40-70 hours a week and try to be competitive at the same time.

Pro or not, who cares? Don't be a pussy.

>>3. WTC is not comprised of Olympians. So, if NYAC (or any club team) were to recruit U.S. Olympians, then they would beat WTC... simply because Olympians are Olympians, unlike WTC runners who have never made it to the Olympics.

A handful maybe, true. I guess you catch my drift though, right?

>>>4. Think about it, Africans beat up on American runners even on the Pro level. So, I mean, since this is kind of a similar comparison (obviously on a lower level), you are throwing out a pretty bad argument here.

See 2

A long-time friend of mine actually lives in High Falls. We ran high school track together. If there were a bunch of very fast African runners living in High Falls, I think he would have told me.

Why do you keep on talking out of your nether regions about how all (most) of the WTC guys live in the Bronx?

Chemlany -- Sleepy Hollow

Demesse -- Maryland

Abraham -- Mt Vernon (http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090620/SPORTS/90620009/-1/SPORTS29)

Okuti -- Who knows? He just graduated from Iona

Too -- Bel Air (http://www.exploreharford.com/sports/1190/bel-airs-daniel-too-runs-win-two-harford-take-age-group-seconds-new-jersey-race-hdg-course-draws-field-19/)

So out of their top 5, 4 definitively DON'T live in the Bronx, or the other 4 boroughs, and the 5th one is unclear.

Anyway, Mary is changing the rules for 2010.

Should be an easy sweep for MTC then, right?

Or are the WSXers all NYers?

Mount Vernon borders on the Bronx

Solution: since there's no kiddie dash, how about a Manhattan-only 50yd dash after the main race? Everyone gets a medal. Yay.

pathetic wrote:

Anyway, Mary is changing the rules for 2010.

Should be an easy sweep for MTC then, right?

Or are the WSXers all NYers?

Mary doesn't get to change the rules.

The Club Council gets to change the rules.

And Mary does not dislike the NYAC.

She had a lot of praise for both the men and women on the starting line.

How would it possibly be in her best interest to water down the competition?

On Friday, via twitter, she called the Club Champs the "deepest, fastest non prize money road race outside of Africa!"

She is proud of this and would not take measures to dumb it down.

Nor does she have the time, she has much bigger fish to fry.

I personally hope the cumulative time rule is changed for next year. Is there any race that matters where cumulative time is used the determine the team championship?

The new rules provide great incentive to buy talent and little incentive to kick down a group of guys 2s in front of you. It also greatly diminishes the importance of scoring 10 deep.

Is there anyone out there who disagrees? Bueller? Bueller?

the notion that you should drop your club and not come back to compete when you can just because you've moved at some point or another to the provinces, hoping of course to move back to new york city sooner rather than later, is absurd. So, if I could have afforded to come back for the race, and I had likely scored for my team, it wouldn't count?

>>And Mary does not dislike the NYAC.

Of course not!

>>She had a lot of praise for both the men and women on the starting line.

Again, of course but what else could she have said anyway?

>>How would it possibly be in her best interest to water down the competition?

It doesn't 'water down' the competition much enough that anyone fom outside would notice if there would be a handful of NYACers less.

>>On Friday, via twitter, she called the Club Champs the "deepest, fastest non prize money road race outside of Africa!"

It would still be without some NYACers, look at the results.

>>Nor does she have the time, she has much bigger fish to fry.

Doesn't take much time to delegate a task.

jjjjjjjjjj wrote:

So, if I could have afforded to come back for the race, and I had likely scored for my team, it wouldn't count?

What if you were paid to come and race?

So what are the new rules going to be? NYC? The tri-state area? Doesn't seem fair to me to limit it. People can't just throw in ringers, they need to have competed in other scoring races. I live in NJ and compete in almost every scoring race and love being part of a team. Would you be happier if I couldn't be on my team? You are coming off as a very selfish person here? Why limit people?

mary likes it deep and fast??

CR wrote:

So what are the new rules going to be? NYC? The tri-state area? Doesn't seem fair to me to limit it. People can't just throw in ringers, they need to have competed in other scoring races. I live in NJ and compete in almost every scoring race and love being part of a team. Would you be happier if I couldn't be on my team? You are coming off as a very selfish person here? Why limit people?

I don't know what it is going to be. They will be looking for a setup that allows regulars like you while banning ringers at the same time.

Not sure why you call me selfish. Wouldn't it rather be selfish from a club to pay people from outside NY to come and race? Why not just race with what you have and finish lower just like everybody else? What's wrong with that?

Right now it looks like it has to be winning at - literally - every cost. And THAT - paying money for, uh, 'glory' - is pathetic.

People could just lie about their address, probably already going on. Is someone a ringer if they ran for a club in NY then went out of state for Med school and then came back to run 3-4 races a year? Or if somebody went to school in NYC and wanted to race for a club but lived just outside of NY? Would there be any rules on how long you have to live in NYC? Seems some live elsewhere and then claim they are training and living inside or just outside NYC. Seems like a lot to police for a non-profit. The faster and more competitive race seems to be a good thing for NYC and the teams in and around NYC. I find it hard to believe that Mary would want a less competitive race.

Wow, not only are you coming off as selfish, but also you're kind of embarrassing. You're calling someone a pussy (over a letsrun message board) for having a full-time job and not being able to run sub 24 or compete with Africans who have 24 hours in a day to just run, eat and sleep. That's just simply unreasonable thinking.

I'm just going to make a wild educated guess that you are probably not one of the Africans who ran at Club Champs. So, you are either some random guy who hates NYAC or a pissed off MTC runner who had a shitty race and wants to complain (which btw you can do that on your own message board).

Anyways, I also agree that a race should not be scored based on accumulative time. That's kind of ridiculous and those rules should be changed. If anything, a rule like this obviously limits the competition to only teams who can afford to pay off a couple of Africans from outside of NYC to run up front. If you're trying to compare that to a team recruiting individuals, who have full-time jobs, from outside of NYC, you really just have a false sense of reality.

The West Side, NYAC, Central Park Track Club, GNY, Urban Athletics runners have shown up all year and are having a super year-long competition. Made for great racing with the inclusion of WTC and Manhattan Track Club.

Why do you continue to make things up? There has been NO discussion at the NYRR level to change the rules to prevent runners who are current NYRR members from running at Club Champs if they live beyond some completely arbitrary circle outside of Manhattan. Stop dreaming.

The irony is that most of the out-of-town NYAC runners have run multiple NYRR races this year and, I'm fairly certain, have run more races than nearly all of your MTC brethren. The notion that Club Champs only should be for "local" runners is something promulgated nearly entirely by a few disgruntled MTC runners and is a non-issue for nearly every other club and runner. I think that it is time to give this tiresome complaint a rest and, instead, focus on your training and, perhaps, stoop down to run a race or two in Central Park.