Ramzi B sample positive

What does this say about other Bahraini athletes? Kenyan and Moroccan-born athletes being paid to compete for Qatar and Bahrain has always seemed a bit sketchy.

If Ramzi has been taking EPO for the last few years, he can't be the only one in his training group who knew about it. Qatar and Bahrain are already giving the athletes access to a life of luxury, why wouldn't they also supply them with free steroids?

This is where people need to be reminded that the USA has had more doping positives in track than any other country.

GO NICK WILLIS!! HE HAS A SILVER MEDAL NOW!

Kiwi time wrote:

GO NICK WILLIS!! HE HAS A SILVER MEDAL NOW!

Ramzi should not go to jail. After giving up his medal(s), his only other punishment should be one consequence-free punch in the face from Medhi Baala for stealing his opportunity to stand on the podium in front of nine zillion screaming fans.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

It's time to change the ban from 2 to 4 years

Yes I agree totally.

Also makes you wonder, if Ramzi could escape detection despite supposed random out of season testing until 2008, who else has been taking it and getting away with it, since it was supposedly detectable in 2001?

I mean, does anyone believe for one minute that Ramzi was clean when he won the double at the Worlds in 2005? I don't. Which means either he was evading testing (and didn't he spend much of his time living and training in Morocco still after he changed nationalities in 2002?) or the test itself wasn't very reliable!

epopians wrote:

I mean, does anyone believe for one minute that Ramzi was clean when he won the double at the Worlds in 2005? I don't. Which means either he was evading testing (and didn't he spend much of his time living and training in Morocco still after he changed nationalities in 2002?) or the test itself wasn't very reliable!

They just developed the test for cera last year.

Mayeroff is a douche of the worst kind. have you no respect? STFU you wanna be elite.

webby wrote:

epopians wrote:

I mean, does anyone believe for one minute that Ramzi was clean when he won the double at the Worlds in 2005? I don't. Which means either he was evading testing (and didn't he spend much of his time living and training in Morocco still after he changed nationalities in 2002?) or the test itself wasn't very reliable!

They just developed the test for cera last year.

But CERA wasn't available back in 2005, so if he was doping back then, it must have been something like EPO which they have been able to test for since about 2000 (not sure when out of season testing began). Hence the need to evade testing... however CERA stays in the system longer, so most likely easier to evade testing using EPO than with CERA.

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webby wrote:

They just developed the test for cera last year.

But CERA wasn't available back in 2005, so if he was doping back then, it must have been something like EPO which they have been able to test for since about 2000 (not sure when out of season testing began). Hence the need to evade testing... however CERA stays in the system longer, so most likely easier to evade testing using EPO than with CERA.

What is CERA in comparison with EPO? To me the mens long distance track times have lacked luster since about 2005 at the high end. Late 90's and then 2003-2005 were pretty nuts and now guys who could finish a 26:50 10K in 13:00 are struggling with a straight 13:00 5K. Strange indeed.

so if CERA wasn't available in 2005, and we have been able to test for EPO since 2000, then how was 2003-2005 "pretty nuts"?

Oh and then also, why have long distances peformances been "lackluster" since 2005 when CERA became available and no drug test was instituted?

Yeah very strange how the facts suggest the exact opposite of your argument.

So does that mean Bernard Lagat advances to the final and gets a DNS? Unlucky.

ALL THE AFRICANS ARE DOPING! THAT"S WHY WHITE GUYS CAN'T WIN! USA WOULD HAVE TONS MORE DISTANCE MEDALS IF THE AFRICANS WEREN'T ALL CHEATING!

I don't disagree with testing athletes for performance enhancing drugs. Athletes should be aloud to take what ever type of drugs they want and just have it noted beside there finishing place in the results whawt the drug they tested positive for. Who cares. Instead of being against. Let's see what the human bodies potential really is.

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iceberrrrg wrote:

What does this say about other Bahraini athletes? Kenyan and Moroccan-born athletes being paid to compete for Qatar and Bahrain has always seemed a bit sketchy.

If Ramzi has been taking EPO for the last few years, he can't be the only one in his training group* who knew about it. Qatar and Bahrain are already giving the athletes access to a life of luxury, why wouldn't they also supply them with free steroids?

Ramzi spends much of his time in Morocco* to train at high altitude. I think we need to look at the pattern in drug cheating. There is an obvious pattern & its not fair to tarnish other countries with the same brush.

After hearing about Kitwara's agent getting dropped, I'm guessing Athletic's Kenya has made it clear their best runners cannot be over-raced leading up to the world championships. I'm not sure if they consider under-raced as bad.

the thing that really sucks about just passing the medals down to the next highest competitor, to me, is that, without the cheater(s), the race may have played out entirely differently.

better than known cheaters still retaining their medals i suppose...so it goes...

~~~~~~~~ wrote:But CERA wasn't available back in 2005, so if he was doping back then, it must have been something like EPO which they have been able to test for since about 2000 (not sure when out of season testing began). Hence the need to evade testing... however CERA stays in the system longer, so most likely easier to evade testing using EPO than with CERA.

CERA was in Phase II clinical trials in 2004, so it was definitely available in 2005.

MAYEROFF wrote:

Read further in that article....a RACE WALKER was caught taking drugs.

How embarrassing could that be? First, how could you explain to your grandkids that you RACE WALKED, then you would have to explain how your "career" ended.

It would be like if you had a job cleaning toilets, but you got fired for offering gay sex for cash while doing your job...embarrassment on top of embarrassment.

I love that you have the balls to post with your real name.