WHEATING to run a mile in London and some other 800s in Europe

Not sure what the OFFICIAL collegiate record is for the mile, but according to this list from T&F News I think Wheating may be able to not only crack into it but threaten the top mark:

MILE

3:52.44 Sydney Maree’ (Vill) 05/30/81

3:53.00 Joaquim Cruz’ (Or) 05/13/84

3:53.2 Jim Ryun (Ks) 06/02/67

Tony Waldrop (NC) 04/27/74

3:53.3 Eamonn Coghlan’ (Vill) 05/17/75

3:53.7 ----Ryun 06/04/66

3:53.8 Wilson Waigwa’ (UTEP) 04/30/77

3:53.9 Steve Scott (UCI) 03/25/78

3:54.22i Don Paige (Vill) 02/16/80

3:54.6 Marty Liquori (Vill) 05/16/71

…………………………………………………………………………….........

3:55.01 Bryan Berryhill (CoSt) 05/27/01

Should mention that Jager would be high on that list if he was in college now and obviously Webb would have been if he were a college runner as a high school senior.

I'm a big fan of Wheating, but what makes you think he could run a 3:52 mile after being injured? Someday, I agree and hope he does it, but this summer?

edumacator wrote:

I'm a big fan of Wheating, but what makes you think he could run a 3:52 mile after being injured? Someday, I agree and hope he does it, but this summer?

I don't mean that he is more than likely going to, but at the same time if he's in a race that goes 3:50 or faster I just wouldn't be all that surprised. His 3:38 last year was run with plenty left and he just didn't know what he was even doing. His 800 came down pretty substantially since then, despite having to hold on after NCAA's to the finals at the Trials. That was a tall order for someone with that limited experience. At NCAA's this year he looked so good in the semis and he said himself he thought 1:44 was possible in the finals. Considering how he made 1:46 look I agree. The final was a disaster with the calf and the stomach bug, but I don't think he lost much fitness prior to USA's. Vin was just being extra cautious and perhaps it was a blessing in disguise in terms of racing in europe since he had a little more rest after NCAA's.

Ultimately, at the top end I think Wheating is better than Centro and Rupp at 1500/mile when he's not doubling and he has barely dabbled in it.

Baylor University's Todd Harbour ran a 3:50.34 mile at the end of his senior year in the Dream Mile of 1981.

http://www.flotrack.org/videos/speaker/1534-harbour-todd

I believe Gregorek also ran 3:51XX the summer of his senior year in europe-listed in Gtwn school records

been there done that wrote:

Not sure what the OFFICIAL collegiate record is for the mile

There are no official NCAA track records.

3:54.22i Don Paige (Vill) 02/16/80

Does the i stand for indoor? I thought Fernandez had the indoor record at 3:55.x?

Someone has to:

A. Get a handle on records

B. Be nuts if they think Wheating is running anywhere near what Brannen does regularly now at abour 3:53 or better as a 3:34 guy already

C. Someone has to to get a grip on actual records, did I say that already?

Keep in mind: Unless I read this wrong.

Jim Ryun was a HS Junior when he ran uder 4:00 in 1964, so he was a senior in 1965 IN HS!!

In 1964 Ryun became the first high school runner to break four minutes for the mile, running 3:59.0 as a junior at Wichita High School East in Wichita, Kansas.

Established the high school and U.S. open mile record 3:55.3 as a senior in 1965, a record that stood as the high school record for 36 years until broken by Alan Webb's 3:53.43 in 2001. It is also the last time an American male high school athlete broke an open American record in a major outdoor track and field event. In this record race he beat the reigning Olympic champion and former world record holder Peter Snell of New Zealand.

His 3:58.3 to win the mile at the 1965 Kansas High School State Meet is still the record for the fastest time ever in a race that includes only high school competitors.

In 1967 Ryun ran a world record in the indoor half mile (1:48.3) and outdoors lowered his world-record time in the mile from 3:51.3 to 3:51.1, a record that stood for almost eight years. That same year he set the world record for the 1500 meters in 3:33.1, running his last lap in a blazing 53.3 seconds and his final 1,200 meters in an amazing 2:46.6.

FINAL 12 in 2:46.6, absurd.

[quote]trialswatcher wrote:

Someone has to:

B. Be nuts if they think Wheating is running anywhere near what Brannen does regularly now at abour 3:53 or better as a 3:34 guy already

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Well Jager just went 3:54.

Brannen has a 1:46.0 and 13:43. And indoors his PR's are the same as Fernandez, 3:55 & 7:47. And all in all the guys been banging at it for quite some time.

In Wheatings first real competitive season he went 1:45.0 & 3:38. There is nothing about Brannens resume (no disrespect) that makes me think he's a league above Wheating.

edumacator wrote:

I'm a big fan of Wheating, but what makes you think he could run a 3:52 mile after being injured? Someday, I agree and hope he does it, but this summer?

I am not saying it is going to happen, but I cannot tell you how many times elite athletes have been surprised that after an injury and some rest, they PR.

You just never know.

I am more concerned about this calf injury leaving scar tissue that could result in more calf tears for him down the line.

He needs to get a lot of deep tissue massage on it at some point to break up the scar tissue and allow the calf to stay loose.

--spoken from experience.

i spent some time around andy and vin at the usatf meet. as much as i want to be positive and want andy to get more international experience, i doubt running in europe this summer will be the right decision. just one persons feelings.

Who's paying for it?

One major factor though, Wheating did not show any improvement this year on his marks listed from year before.

to answer the last 2 posts...

his parents

his training/racing was set for a longer season this year. as we all know, his breakthrough last year was unexpected and extended his year beyond any reasonable schedule.

can i post this ? wrote:

i spent some time around andy and vin at the usatf meet. as much as i want to be positive and want andy to get more international experience, i doubt running in europe this summer will be the right decision. just one persons feelings.

You are an idiot.

I did the same thing as he did, and traveling and competing is always the right thing. Anything that adds to someone's like experience in an expanding way is good.

Saying you "spent some time around Andy and Vin" means nothing.

So you walked by them, bfd.

love your post! you are so insightful.

I watched the video of Wheating's 3:38 last several times and came to the conclusion this kid didn't know how good he was then.

The all-time list of American milers who could close in 26.0+/- in a 3:38 race is a fairly short one. The all-time list of guys who could close in 26.0+/- in a 3:38 race as a college sophomore is extremely short, probably less than five. The all-time list of guys who could close in 26.0 +/- in a 3:38 race as a college sophomore after only running for about three years is probably one: Wheating.

I'll say it again: He had a 3:35 in him that night.

I said last year that Wheating looked to me like a kid who had just learned how to drive and someone gave him the keys to a Lamborghini. He had no idea what to do with it yet, and was timidly trying not to grind the gears as he got comfortable with a world-class piece of machinery.

Still not sure this kid realizes what he may have under the hood, but he's starting to look like he might be ready to take it out on an open highway and stretch it out a bit and see what she's got.

I'm hoping this short European tour is the start of that.

Exactly my point, and very well summed up.

When Wheating ran that 3:38 that was his 2nd year of really training. He only ran track his senior year of high school and was doing 20 miles a week, yet his first 1500 ever he goes 4:03 and finishes the season in a state with little to no competition with a 3:54! Guy runs an open quarter in the wind and rain and goes :52 to beat a :50 quarter miler specialist, and it was his first time ever running a quarter!

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/writers/tim_layden/07/01/layden.column/t1_0630_800m_reuters.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tim_layden/07/01/layden.column/&h=375&w=298&sz=152&tbnid=J1_WXoOmqLDbFM:&tbnh=122&tbnw=97&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dandrew%2Bwheating&hl=en&usg=__NnpHtBslwk8EULmEmOLegN-5HZY=&ei=JOBTSrnlM5GgswPQlvz5Bw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image

Another good read:

http://teamusa.org/news/article/2353

This guy is built to run fast, no doubt.

But coming from no base right into college they've had to be careful with him and hold back on his mileage since he's coming from almost nothing to a top D1 training program. This is likely why he was bordering a stress fracture indoors and why he had calf trouble recently.

When this guy does adjust to training and increases his mileage and intensity he should be able to unleash.

Regarding what he's done this year he's been mostly involved in sit and kick races and was injured at indoor NCAA's and Outdoor NCAA's and had to miss USA's so it's hard to assess his marks. He's had a couple runs that looked quite good though including his opener indoors in 1:47 and his semi heat round at NCAA's outdoor where he looked very comfortable at 1:46.

I agree with Zat0pek, when he is truly pushed (or in his case dragged) and/or learns to race harder he'll be dropping some time. Crazy to think what 2-3 more years of base and track work could do for him.

Zat and I have discussed Wheating before, however, the facts are, he has not run faster, and to "been there done that", he hardly looked comfortable leaning hard and then injured to win NC's at 1:46.21 a time 1.16 slower than his best from a year prior.

I also think he has all the gifts, but he does leave himself back a lot, and you only get National Class guys that way, if at all.After a bit, you only get so much credit for the big bang capablities, but not moving forward time wise.

Talent? Huge. However, this sport waits for no one especially now, and he did not run faster yet this year, if he was Webb, he would be getting trashed on here by now.I alos thought he might be next 1:44 guy moving forward and a 3:36 by now, he certainly has the gift.

A guy like Manzano for instance owned the event in NC's for two years from front or in back, and has rarely been outkicked, as an example. And has the 3:34 already run, not too shabby.