So he ran 1:50 today at non in a negative split race. He wont translate to the adult dec with the increase in wt of the shot and disc and the hurdle hight. He can and will be a stud if/when he makes the change.
So he ran 1:50 today at non in a negative split race. He wont translate to the adult dec with the increase in wt of the shot and disc and the hurdle hight. He can and will be a stud if/when he makes the change.
He has already done a great decat. with the increased implements, and he rocked it. So I think he is already a stud.
What a ridiculous kid.
loves to post about hmself too!
What's an estimate of Beach's MPW?
He is definitely a stud. The question is will it be easier for him to lop 6-7secs off a 800m pr or get about 1000-1500 dec points? I would expect there is probably a couple hundred points between not doing 13 events and by being more familiar with the heavier instruments and higher hurdles. The shot and discus are going to be the killers where he needs a lot of improvement. I am sure if he packs on 30lbs of muscle he would show major improvement. That might really hurt is running though. I must admit it would be a lot of fun to have him down by a bunch of points going into the 1500m. Knowing that he can probably run a sub 4:00 in the 1500m will put a bit of stress on the guys that like to lumber in around 4:50
asdplokjqeijf wrote:
He has already done a great decat. with the increased implements, and he rocked it. So I think he is already a stud.
cBeACH wrote:
What's an estimate of Beach's MPW?
He does no running training, just a lot of pole vaulting and shot putting.
Beach is the best high school athlete ever by a long shot. The scary thing is the national decathlon record holder (who already beats Bryan Clay in 3 events)
This from the home page is false!!
Bob Mathias is the best high school athlete ever because he won the Gold medal in the OLYMPIC decathlon when he was 17 in his 3rd decathlon ever, whereas Beach is already 18 or 19. Nice try though.
The thing about Beach is he could be an exceptionally valuable Multi's guy in the NCAA because he's so good at the 400 and 800. Duke could use him on their 4x4 during both seasons, their DMR during Indoor, and he could be a National level point scorer in the open 800 (possibly 400 as well). Obviously it will all depend on how he progresses over the next 4 years, but the kid is a beast.
Ultimate cross-trainer wrote:
cBeACH wrote:What's an estimate of Beach's MPW?
He does no running training, just a lot of pole vaulting and shot putting.
I call BS. No one runs a 1:50 on 0 miles a week.
He probably runs 15-20 miles a week, likely a mix of sprints including a warm up and cool down. Still impressive, many pro's couldn't run 1:50 on 15-20 miles a week.
Not to hate on Beach or anything, but there are possibly a wide variety of athletes who could have made those marks Beach did had they focused on being a decathlete.
I would say that some of those 400m runners running 45s-46s could potentially beat Beach all from 100-200-400, as well as possibly LJ/TP, maybe hurdles, seeing as most great sprinters translate into pretty good LJers/TJers. THOUGH, being able to compete in all these events is truly enduring. Besides that, I couldn't really see a huge bulky guy outdoing Beach in the PV.
Marquise Goodwin could beat Beach in the 100/200/LJ/TJ, by a pretty wide margin in each event except perhaps the 200 (still by a little).
But to give Beach his credit, he surely is a true talent, because unlike most athletes he has to focus over a wide variety of events--- but then again, the decathlete is not a very contested event in most states compared to the standard events.
arkenine wrote:
Not to hate on Beach or anything, but there are possibly a wide variety of athletes who could have made those marks Beach did had they focused on being a decathlete.
I would say that some of those 400m runners running 45s-46s could potentially beat Beach all from 100-200-400, as well as possibly LJ/TP, maybe hurdles, seeing as most great sprinters translate into pretty good LJers/TJers. THOUGH, being able to compete in all these events is truly enduring. Besides that, I couldn't really see a huge bulky guy outdoing Beach in the PV.
Marquise Goodwin could beat Beach in the 100/200/LJ/TJ, by a pretty wide margin in each event except perhaps the 200 (still by a little).
But to give Beach his credit, he surely is a true talent, because unlike most athletes he has to focus over a wide variety of events--- but then again, the decathlete is not a very contested event in most states compared to the standard events.
Not quite true. Most of the guys who are elite sprinters in HS also LJ, TJ etc and do not come close to Beach in those events, never mind him crushing them in everything else. He's just a freakish talent is all. I'd like to see him concentrate on the 800/1500. He's already faster from 100 thru 400 meters than most world class middle distance guys.
I am willing to bet most sub 1:45 or 3:32 guys are running sub 48 also. The 200 is quick but the 100 is definitely in the range I would expect from anyone who can run 47s or so. It is really hard to 400m times on most of the Africans but you can see the sub 47s for almost all of the sub 1:44 European/American guys with the occasional guy down in the 45s.
Give Him His Proper Due wrote:
arkenine wrote:Not to hate on Beach or anything, but there are possibly a wide variety of athletes who could have made those marks Beach did had they focused on being a decathlete.
I would say that some of those 400m runners running 45s-46s could potentially beat Beach all from 100-200-400, as well as possibly LJ/TP, maybe hurdles, seeing as most great sprinters translate into pretty good LJers/TJers. THOUGH, being able to compete in all these events is truly enduring. Besides that, I couldn't really see a huge bulky guy outdoing Beach in the PV.
Marquise Goodwin could beat Beach in the 100/200/LJ/TJ, by a pretty wide margin in each event except perhaps the 200 (still by a little).
But to give Beach his credit, he surely is a true talent, because unlike most athletes he has to focus over a wide variety of events--- but then again, the decathlete is not a very contested event in most states compared to the standard events.
Not quite true. Most of the guys who are elite sprinters in HS also LJ, TJ etc and do not come close to Beach in those events, never mind him crushing them in everything else. He's just a freakish talent is all. I'd like to see him concentrate on the 800/1500. He's already faster from 100 thru 400 meters than most world class middle distance guys.
there is no triple or 200 in the decathlon.
Most top 800 guys claim to be 46 and 47 in terms of speed, but are actually only capable of 48 on the day. The sub 1:44 guys are generally the ones with the 47 and faster capability, but I don't think too many world class guys can hang with Beach in the 100 or 200. Must be tough being so good in so many events...
Sub distance times on most middle distance guys are crap as they were run years before they were world class or they run 1 400m a year early in the season when not in peak shape.Given that a quick scan from the IAAF site on the yearly leader list shows:Laalou Amine 47.57 Rudisha David Lekuta 48.20 (ran when he was 17 and 1.51 guy)Al-Salhi Mohammed 45.75 López Yeimer 45.11 Davide Kleberson 47.17 Som Bram 46.87Kivuna Jackson Mumbwa 48.38 (he was 17) Lewandowski Marcin no 400 time but he ran a 10.64 into a headwindMilkevics Dmitrijs 46.87 Olivier André 46.95 I would be suprised if most of them aren't right around 11(+-.25s) in the 100. Beach 200 time is nuts. But go down that list and they all pretty much have similiar or fast prs (except the guys who last time was when they were 17 year olds) over 400ms. Granted in 2 years maybe Beach is down running around 44 but I sort of doubt it. His 100m just isn't that good.He isn't fast enough to be a short sprinter (11 is quick but when the good guys are down at 10 that is a huge gap) and the jumps are just good. At the world level the list would be 400 (probably not fast enough. The 200m suggest he is but I am bit suspect of that time just because it is out of line with the rest of his sprints. But maybe that was on a day he was feeling good and not doing 100 other events), 400h (maybe),800m, 1500m(depending on prev training. I sort of doubt he has the endurance) and Decathlon with the Dec and 800m being the best bets. He needs to really improve his throws. I am not enough of an expert to tell how likely that is. In the 800m, there area lot of guys that run 1:49 with blistering speed (sub 47) that get stuck around 1:46 so it isn't like that is a no brainer either.He should be fun to watch over the next 4 years though.
Makes me look very Slow wrote:
Most top 800 guys claim to be 46 and 47 in terms of speed, but are actually only capable of 48 on the day. The sub 1:44 guys are generally the ones with the 47 and faster capability, but I don't think too many world class guys can hang with Beach in the 100 or 200. Must be tough being so good in so many events...