Valid question since she is setting PR at age 29 and beating the Jamaicans?
Valid question since she is setting PR at age 29 and beating the Jamaicans?
Women get more testosterone sometimes as they get old.
That may be the case here. She's ripped. If she's dirty ALL the Jamaicans are dirty. Look at them. Remember Marlene Ottey?
I suspect Kara Goucher, Nick Symmonds, Galen Rupp, Baringer, Jordan Hasay, German Fernandez, and Mac Fleet as well. They'll never get caught though. The drug testers haven't been able to catch Lance Armstrong yet either.
Definitely dirty.. not because she is running fast at 29...
because she just made a huge gain this year. She reminds me of 2003 World champ...kelli white.
Kelli, had a similar improvement that later turned out to be enhanced by PEDS.
'Look at them. Remember Marlene Ottey?'
There are typos, spelling mistakes (we all make them) and then there is the above!
K G wrote:
I suspect Kara Goucher, Nick Symmonds, Galen Rupp, Baringer, Jordan Hasay, German Fernandez, and Mac Fleet as well. They'll never get caught though. The drug testers haven't been able to catch Lance Armstrong yet either.
Not as dirty as Usain Bolt though.
If she is doping she's been doing so for a few years now. Here's her progression from the IAAF website...
100 Metres
2009 10.96 0.90 Walnut, CA 18/04/2009
2008 10.97 0.70 Eugene, OR 27/06/2008
2007 11.02 -0.20 Osaka 27/08/2007
2006 11.48 0.00 Los Angeles, CA 04/06/2006
2004 11.56 0.60 San Diego, CA 19/06/2004
Its hard to find Kelli White's results to compare to this because of her disqualification.
the most obvious clue is her muscle gain. Also she ran 10.85 in Eugene a couple of weeks ago.
Also listen to her voice, it's just as deep as the man doing the interview!!!
She is.
Reminds me of Florence Griffith. Like Camelita, Florence was an also-run for a long long time, than suddenly she bulked up and became extremely fast.
Nobody came to within striking distance to her times in 20 years. Paid for the fame with life.
watchin the grasshoppers wrote:
She is.
Reminds me of Florence Griffith. Like Camelita, Florence was an also-run for a long long time, than suddenly she bulked up and became extremely fast.
Nobody came to within striking distance to her times in 20 years. Paid for the fame with life.
"Florence was an also-run for a long long time" - Not so!)FloJo was good starting with age group track and at every level she competed; for nearly a decade, FloJo was ranked in the top 10 in the 100m and the top 3 in the 200m before she made her major improvement. PEDs alone can't turn an average sprinter into a great sprinter.
In terms of Camelita, I seriously doubt she is on anything, in fact I doubt any U.S. sprinter is on drugs. The current testing program is so percise that you would have to be very-very smart or very-very stupid to think you can beat it. I know most Letsrunners think that everybody is dopping, but the fact is, USATF is the cleanest it has been in 20 years. You just can't go by the fact that someone is getting more muscular (ala Bolt), becasue that usually goes hand-in-hand with getting better and for the most part, the best women are big and strong.
Keep drinking that Kool Aid track coach..... You have to be a complete moron to get caught, the dopers are way ahead of the testers.
TrackCoach - "I doubt any US sprinter is on drugs"
post of the day!
How do you explain her voice change?
"the best women are big and strong"
like Allyson Felix??Muna Lee??
Born in 1979, she'd be about 21 in 2000. Something rather remarkable seemed to happen in 2007, around 27-28 years old.
2000 11.69 -0.5 2 UNLV Inv Las Vegas NV 8 Apr
2001 11.82 1.2 2 Cal/Nev Irvine CA 29 Apr
2002 11.77 2.0 2 CCAA La Jolla CA 11 May
2002 11.46w 2.8 2 NCAA-II San Angelo TX 25 May
2003 11.43w 3.3 2r1 Northridge CA 5 Apr
2003 11.61 0.6 3r5 MSR Walnut CA 19 Apr
2004 11.56 0.6 3r1 SD Ch San Diego CA 17 Jun
2005 11.72w 2.6 1 Bronco Pomona CA 26 Feb
2005 12.00 -2.8 2 Brown Fullerton CA 12 Mar
2006 11.48 0.0 2r1 Bush Eagle Rock CA 4 Jun
2007 11.02 -0.2 3 WC Osaka 27 Aug
2008 10.97 0.7 1q2 NC Eugene OR 27 Jun
2009 10.96 0.9 1r4 MSR Walnut CA 18 Apr
2009 10.85w 2.8 1rA Reebok New York NY 30 May
I will not go so far as to say there isn’t a single U.S. athlete out there 'smart or dumb' enough to try to beat the system. I guess anything is possible, but a single athlete can not do it alone. You would almost have to be part of a ‘system’ that would have to involve doctors and/or other medical trained professionals and coaches, etc. Someone would have to constantly monitor your physiology (blood & hormone stats), your training and competition schedule. All of this is possible, but it would be very expensive, time consuming and definitely beyond what could be accomplished by a lone wolf.
Keep in mind that USATF anti-doping in the last 3 years has improved by leaps and bounds; just about all of the former loopholes have been closed, such as detection of masking agents, requiring a medical waiver for certain medicines for asthma and diabetes, etc., not publishing when & where testing will be conducted and what's in the testing protocols, comparing blood & hormone stats at one time period to another, etc. And probably the most significant things are the zero tolerance policy and saving your blood so that you can be caught in the future as testing technology continues to improve and then dealt with retroactively.
Like I said, anything is possible, but the effort involved in being a doper and the high probability of being caught is just not worth it. Btw, one of the great unintended consequences of Trevor Graham/BALCO is USATF launching a full court press on anti-doping. I know that nothing I say will satisfy the legions of Letsrun conspiracy theorist, but there you have it.
Defenitely Dirtyyyyyyy.
Go back to the US championship in Eugene and look at the massive gain in muscle within the last couple of months. Women can't produce that much natural hormone to gain that much muscle mass. Also look at her high cheek bone as compare to last year.
Florence Griffith-Joyner didn't exactly start from no place. She was a silver medalist in the '84 Olympics and the '87 World Championships. But if you don't think the transformation in that last year before the 1988 Olympics had a little illicit help, try and listen to what little audio you can of her prior to that year. She was a soprano.
perspective wrote:
Born in 1979, she'd be about 21 in 2000. Something rather remarkable seemed to happen in 2007, around 27-28 years old.
2000 11.69 -0.5 2 UNLV Inv Las Vegas NV 8 Apr
2001 11.82 1.2 2 Cal/Nev Irvine CA 29 Apr
2002 11.77 2.0 2 CCAA La Jolla CA 11 May
2002 11.46w 2.8 2 NCAA-II San Angelo TX 25 May
2003 11.43w 3.3 2r1 Northridge CA 5 Apr
2003 11.61 0.6 3r5 MSR Walnut CA 19 Apr
2004 11.56 0.6 3r1 SD Ch San Diego CA 17 Jun
2005 11.72w 2.6 1 Bronco Pomona CA 26 Feb
2005 12.00 -2.8 2 Brown Fullerton CA 12 Mar
2006 11.48 0.0 2r1 Bush Eagle Rock CA 4 Jun
2007 11.02 -0.2 3 WC Osaka 27 Aug
2008 10.97 0.7 1q2 NC Eugene OR 27 Jun
2009 10.96 0.9 1r4 MSR Walnut CA 18 Apr
2009 10.85w 2.8 1rA Reebok New York NY 30 May
Again, she aged, and some women when they get older get a testosterone boost. This can occur as early as 25. Looking at her times I suspect she was about to give up around the age of 24-25, but stuck with it another year and saw and felt a big improvement, which gave her optimism to keep going for another year and gave her a break out time.
Her wind aided 2002-2003 times show she wasn't that fast at all before 2004, and 2006-2007 probably almost caused her to give up. No amount of PEDs is going to improve someone from 12 sec 100 to under 11 sec and last for 4 years without some side effects. Its gotta be natural, PED's in a sprinter only really last a couple of years at most before they wear off. Jeter has gone on 4 years now and doesn't appear to be slowing down.
Testosterone boost with age? That's a brand new one to me.
This question of Carmeliter being dirty is so rhetorical and simple: doped, doped, and doped. She probably has it placed on her breakfast, lunch, and dinner trays each day.
Everything about her is identical to Gatlin, KWhite, Marion, FloJo, Jacobs and dozens of the Russian women's careers/physique that suddenly changed over night. Slaney was a doper as well, but like Armstrong, CLewis, and Aouita, was brilliant in how she dodged the positive bullet. She should give a workshop on how to run for decades and never get caught!
Jeter seems quite doped to me. I mean, I'd never heard of her before this year, and now she is running insanely fast, and her muscles are just ridiculous. 10.83 + ridiculously ripped at age 29 = doped.
typical jealous letsrunner.