Rupp last 1600 better than fernandez all out 1500

Yes, I have to say that despite the brilliant outlook for German Fernandez , the "snap" wasn't quite there like it was for Galen . I hope he's not on anything because he sure ran like it. Man was on crack. I mean that in the most respectful terms.

You're comparing a SUPER SENIOR's win in the 5k to a true frosh win in the 1500m arguing that Rupp's last 1600m was more impressive. The ironic point that you make is that when you argue for Rupp it becomes void because anyone can see where the true future is in US track based on that 5 year difference.

That being said, Rupp did have phenomenal race/year.

Another member of "ROJO-WEFJO BRO-Crush on Rupp Club"

too bad Rupp did not run the same race so German could have smashed him...

masterer wrote:

But Rupp's 4 min could have obviously

Obviously implies fact even though it didn't happen? Discuss.

I don't know, Fernandez ran even splits from the front and then kicked the last 50 meters and then was walking around like it didn't even phase him while the other guys were bent over in pain. Fernandez only ran the race that was dealt to him, it wasn't a time trial. You don't know what Fernandez has in him if he gets a race like Barringer's 1500m last weekend.

Also, 3:39 is significantly faster than 4:00. 3:45=4:00. 3:39=3:53.

it's not a 14/15 second conversion for a 1500m, fool.

3:43 roughly equals 4:00 for the mile.

Adjusted for the 15/16th's difference, 3:39.00 is roughly equal to about 3:55.75

Not bad for wire to wire time trial with even negative splits.

Quite impressive actually. He could probably come down 5 seconds by the end of summer in a rabbited European race.

Errr. .... actually it IS a 15 second conversion because we are talking 1600metre times ..NOT mile times(1609 mtr)

That said... it is not so much the overall time of Rupp's 1600 metre (which is impressive in itself).. it's that he jogged the last 20-30 metres and more importantly his acceleration within that last 1600 . About 2:06 for the first half and then closed in 1:54 , but also he injected a 54 SECOND lap between 4400-4800. Nuts.Sick.Unreal.

Couple this with the fact that he raced 20 km in the meet and you have a legend made...OK it helps to have the right people make the grainy antique photos that will be marketed on swoosh T-shirts in 2 years time, but really just bow and worship unless you have a video to post of another more impressive performance by a college dude.

When did Fernandez run an all-out 1500m? I know he lead a race wire-to-wire, and then held off everyone (many 3:37 guys) a few days ago...buuuut...

Look ...Fernandez has a chance to go on and develop into something ..but given the history of hs running stars it is fair to say this is not a given by any means.One would be reading too far ahead

However, this was anything but a time trial... that's just talking sh..t !

First of all , Fernandez ran on the inside the whole way which is eliminating any zig- zagging bumping,etc.. Pretty smart actually It was a steady, full excellent effort.. no really ultra slow or fast laps He was the best in the field and performed slightly less than his 3:56 WR indoors. (This 1500 also equates to 3:56 , albeit in the easier outdoor environment) Looks like he could have been pushed a couple of seconds faster but that is about it.. even that is still less than the outdoor equivalent of his indoor perf.

I really hope he can beat the odds and improve like Galen has someday.It would be yet another big boost for the scene here.

Look. A 3:39 1500 is about 4 seconds better than a 4:00 1600.

Both were run tactically. Both were negative splits.

The subject of the post is false statement/ bad opinion.

Now, considering the other factors, the fast 1600m close was a better performance, but by itself it wasn't.

Forget that he is a freshman. To lead a 1500m race the entire way at a moderate pace against equal oposition and still outkicking them to win is a very rare feat.

Why nit pick over two great performances?

Since we all are getting so nitty gritty, let's go by the weather in the 5k and 15. Rupp's 5k was a lot cooler and at night, with zero wind(flag ceases to move). Fernandez's 1500 had a slight breeze. It was enough to make the big American flag be fully shown as the wind's power held it that way. That's a good second or two more of effort...

And obviously, German lead wire to wire.

Rupp's race was pretty much a predestrian pace till the last mile with a couple surges "coated with jogs in between".

If Rupp's so good, then there should be no argument that the first 2 miles of the 5k didn't take that much out of him as he sucked off others just like the 10k, till the last few laps. Anyways, let's get realistic, Rupp fresh in the 1500m would've gave German a run for his money, but by no means was it in the bag for him. I'd still think German would beat him. He was so smooth and at ease when he crossed the finish line, he had more, obviously. Also, I believe Rupp got a specially set up race for him at Washington(indoors) gearing towards sub 3.55... what did he run? Oh ya, 3.57. Talk all you want, but in my eyes, German would've beat Rupp.

In all honesty, Fernandez is way more marketable than the pimple faced kid. Both studdly runners, no question about that. Looks? Well, Rupp lacks that greatly. It's a shallow world, but hey, that's how it works. Plus, there's no arguemnt on Fernandez's running potential, obviously, much higher than Rupp's.

His NCAA record indoor mile record is 3:55.02.

sss

3:39 is about a 3:54.5 1600. If it were a full mile, it'd be about a 3:56.5.

So it was 5.5 seconds faster than Rupp's finish to the 5K. But let's be honest--at the pace they were running the first 2.1 of that 5K, that last 1600 was probably not much slower than what he would've ran for a mile normally. Now--clearly he ran a 10K the day before, so all things are not equal. But I HIGHLY doubt that Rupp would've been able to run any faster than 3:39 if he were fresh.

I highly doubt Rupp can beat Fernandez in a 1500m/1600m/or mile race. Fernandez ran 3:55i for the full mile out of the gates back in January and hasn't lost a 1500m race since then.

i love this site.

it is the only place on the web innane and immature enough where people will compare a Freshman 1500 runner with a Senior 10k runner.

let alone a 1500 runner with a 10k runner.

lame lame lame

don't forget that rupp had a rolling start for his last mile. haha.