40-60 miles a week how bad is it for you for an entire summer
40-60 miles a week how bad is it for you for an entire summer
Find me one interview with an Olympic or World Champion who said they owe it all to running exclusively on cement.
It depends on how old you are. If 20-40, no problem as long as you wear a good pair of cushion shoe. but, if you are younger than 20, it is not recommended. If older than 40, it depends on how tough you are - physically, not mentally.
I owe all my success to running exclusively on cement. I would recommend it.
Are we talking about concrete here?
There's one particular regular poster who can vouch for running on concrete, kid. Can't remember his name though.
ask the concrete runner, i'm sure he's waiting to pile on some words of wisdom here
By concrete I mean living in a city where the only grass you see is what grows between broken pieces of sidewalk. And for like college age runners
I'm guessing from your question that you are running on the sidewalk, since most streets these days are asphalt. Or, you are running on the highway. You are delusional in either case. Besides, the poster you seek has revealed his identity (or *an* identity, I should say), so good luck drawing him out.
Okay asphalt, same thing. It's a lot harder than a trail or grass. I'm looking for a serious answer of whether it's something that you can do for 10 weeks or so while building up summer milage or if it's better to run low milage during that time
Fortunately here in the St. Louis area they are putting in asphalt trails so that even if you want to run on a trail you still can hurt your knees in the process. Oh, and thanks to whoever the genius was who decided that unpaved trails needed a healthy layer of limestone dust and gravel that was then rolled. When that dries out it is literally almost as hard as a road. Thank you St. Louis County Parks for ruining what was once a great trail out by Castlewood.
And before I forget, thanks to trailnet or whoever the idiots are who put in genuine 'crete trails along the Mississippi. Just to ensure that St. Louis City will never have any of the sweet unpaved trails that are present out West. Well, I guess they did it in Creve Coeur as well. Pave the planet! God forbid you get a speck of dirt on your shoes!
Running on dirt trails or "saw dust" is a by product of days when running shoes were horrible and nothing more than pieces of thick leather under your feet. So naturally this concept has been "grandfathered" down through the ages as the ideal environment to run. Nearly every classic training manual/running book (Lydiard, Dellinger, etc) mentions trails as ideal for training. But its 2009 folks.
If you run with a quality training shoe, running on the roads or sidewalk should not be a problem with current running shoe technology. Granted if you like to train in racing flats or flimsy lightweight trainers then this won't apply.
I have patients get injured more with stone bruises and sprained feet and ankles with running on trails. My patients that train on the roads typically get hurt from wearing shoes that are worn out/old or too flimsy.
In addition, the less stable the surface is (like trails), the less effective those motion control/anti-pronation features in the running shoes work.
BTW I've run 70 to 100 mile weeks on the sidewalks in San Francisco without injury, including up and down those darn hills.
pave the earth wrote:
Thank you St. Louis County Parks for ruining what was once a great trail out by Castlewood.
You're welcome you pretentious A-hole.
Running on cement builds bone density.
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No, not really, I can't back that up.
Impressive wrote:
40-60 miles a week how bad is it for you for an entire summer
Running on cement sounds quite difficult. Just make sure you run fast enough before it dries and YOU'RE TRAPPED!
hahahahahahahah!
JTupper and others have done numerous studies showing that running surfaces have no impact (no pun intended) on athletic performance or injury.
As a poster above said, its 2009 kids. Materials and shoe design are far more modern than the days of shadow boxing, the medicine ball, heat lamp, bengay etc.
Here's a relevant study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19346972
PURPOSE:: This investigation assessed the effects of training intensity and ground surface type on hemolysis, inflammation, and hepcidin activity during running. METHODS:: Ten highly trained male endurance athletes completed a graded exercise test, two continuous 10-km runs on a grass (GRASS) and a bitumen road surface (ROAD) at 75%-80% peak V O2 running velocity, and a 10 x 1-km interval running session (INT) at 90%-95% of the peak V O2 running velocity. Venous blood and urine samples were collected before, immediately after, and at 3 and 24 h after exercise. Serum samples were analyzed for circulating levels of IL-6, free hemoglobin (Hb), haptoglobin (Hp), iron, and ferritin. Urine samples were analyzed for changes in hepcidin expression. RESULTS:: After running, the IL-6 and free Hb were significantly greater, and serum Hp was significantly lower than preexercise values in all three conditions (P `` 0.05). Furthermore, IL-6 levels and the change in free Hb from baseline were significantly greater in the INT compared with those in the GRASS (P < 0.05). There were no differences between the GRASS and ROAD training surfaces (P %% 0.05). Serum iron and ferritin were significantly increased after exercise in all three conditions (P < 0.05) but were not different between trials. CONCLUSION:: Greater running intensities incur more inflammation and hemolysis, but these variables were not affected by the surface type trained upon.
Damn, this proves the concrete runner hasn't been here lately. RIP.
Anyway, I'd paraphrase his response in saying, "Keep it on the 'crete."
Seriously, though, change your shoes often and you're fine.
moc nurstel wrote:
Damn, this proves the concrete runner hasn't been here lately. RIP.
Anyway, I'd paraphrase his response in saying, "Keep it on the 'crete."
Seriously, though, change your shoes often and you're fine.
Actually he made a post 3-4 days ago.
thick as a brick wrote:
Find me one interview with an Olympic or World Champion who said they owe it all to running exclusively on cement.
Actually Lydiard coached all his Olympic champions and medallists on cement. He believed very strongly in it -- like it or not. I personally think softer surfaces are better